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jimmyg
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 9 City/Region: Lopez Island
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Trailering a 9'6" Boat |
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Hi,
A couple of the boats that I am considering (Rosborough 25.5, Kingfisher 28.5, Ocean Sport 30 (probably in my dreams only)) are 9'6" beams.
I live in the Upper Left Coast and will never go back to the East again (nothing against it at all, just so much great water out here, and so little time left). So trailering in Cal,Or,Wa,Id, BC(Rupert) are on the short list of opportunities.
Besides special permits and maybe a big wide load sign, is there anything else that would be a deal breaker?
Thanks so much for your help
Jimmy
Lopez Island, WA |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2657 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
State or Province: WY
C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Hunkydory
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Jimmy
What's your experience in towing this kind of load in the places you would like to take it. I have spent a significant part of my life operating heavy equipment including trucks carrying or towing wide loads and I would not want to tow a 9.5 foot wide boat in many of the places we have towed the 22 foot CD.
Unless you have experience in this area the learning curve could get pretty pricey.
Jay _________________ Jay and Jolee 2000 22 CD cruiser Hunkydory
I will not waste my days in trying to prolong them------Jack London
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Dene
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 444 City/Region: Kalama
State or Province: WA
Vessel Name: Fear Naut & Terra-Sea-Ta
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Trailering a 9'6" Boat |
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jimmyg wrote: | Hi,
A couple of the boats that I am considering (Rosborough 25.5, Kingfisher 28.5, Ocean Sport 30 (probably in my dreams only)) are 9'6" beams.
I live in the Upper Left Coast and will never go back to the East again (nothing against it at all, just so much great water out here, and so little time left). So trailering in Cal,Or,Wa,Id, BC(Rupert) are on the short list of opportunities.
Besides special permits and maybe a big wide load sign, is there anything else that would be a deal breaker?
Thanks so much for your help
Jimmy
Lopez Island, WA |
Jimmy,
I get the heeby-jeebies even thinking about towing a boat larger than a 22 footer. If you're thinking Rossy, what stops you from permanently mooring it, especially if you're staying in the Sound?
-Greg |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2657 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
State or Province: WY
C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Hunkydory
Photos: Hunkydory-Jay-and-Jolee
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hunkydory wrote: | Jimmy
What's your experience in towing this kind of load in the places you would like to take it. I have spent a significant part of my life operating heavy equipment including trucks carrying or towing wide loads and I would not want to tow a 9.5 foot wide boat in many of the places we have towed the 22 foot CD.
Unless you have experience in this area the learning curve could get pretty pricey.
Jay |
On the other hand if you feel confident in your ability to do the towing then make your decision on what boat is right for you realizing that some places will be more difficult or even perhaps impossible to access that you would like to go. Actually might not be much difference between towing a 9.5 foot boat with a heavy duty type pick-up and towing a 22 foot CD behind a large motor home. Both have major restrictions, but also some big advantages. |
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SeaSpray
Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Posts: 1007 City/Region: Brentwood, CA
State or Province: CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Hi Jimmy,
I have some friends that have the Kingfisher 26 that is also 9'6" wide. They have towed it to Lake Powell and Bellingham from California several times with no problems. They have never been stopped or even asked about the width of the boat. No wide load signs needed. The permits needed seem to just be another way to pay the states some money and only require a mailed application.
You do need to be more careful to not get into tight places. They tow with a 1/2 ton Chevy but the 30' may be more weight. If you don't mind the extra caution and expense of towing a large, wide heavy boat the 9'6" seems to make little difference.
Steve |
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mailbox101
Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 227 City/Region: Pacifica
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Jimmy,
When I had someone haul my Monterey Clipper from Long Beach to San Francisco, the hauler, Captain Dave's out of Long Beach, pulled a permit although they stated that it wasn't required. The reason stated was that when you get the permit the engineers at Caltrans approve the route. That way, the logic went, if there was a mistake regarding bridge heights or roads they ought not be on, they had a state approved document to try to use to get themselves off the hook. All went well, so I do not know if this would have been effective, but thought I should toss it out there for consideration.
David B. |
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Grumpy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1606 City/Region: Whidbey Is
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Jimmy,
We trailer our RF245 (8'6") which was set up by Les at EQ on a triple axle King trailer, Electric over hydraulic disk brakes and load equalizing hitch behind a Chevy HD 2500 Short bed Diesel with Allison transmission.
The big advantage of trailering on the PNW (at least) is that you can get to places like the Broughtons or Desolation in one day with no weather restrictions or major pucker factor events. We did that last year out of Telegraph Cove and we are relatively new to trailering. Our only previous experience was with a CD22 behind an F250 Gas powered.
Yes it can be fun getting 57ft of rig around some places and you need to plan. We usually research the route without the trailer before we go anywhere "unknown". Get all the "Trucker" resources such as maps etc.
Definitely get the biggest truck you can. There is no substitute for big brakes, weight and brute force. The long bed may be a little more stable but you lose on turning radius and that can be fun getting into ferry lines or even passing customs posts (funny story there for later in the winter season)
Good luck with your choices
Merv & Kathy _________________ 2006 CD-22 Kingfisher Sold Jan 08.
1987 Arima SeaChaser 17, Sea Star. Sold May 2010
2008 RF246 Kingfisher II Sold Apr 2013 |
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dotnmarty
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 4196 City/Region: Sammamish
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Another option would be to keep it in the water and spend the next several years exploring "the great water out here". Then, instead of towing the wide load, buy a 16 or 22 ft. easily towable used C-Dory as a second vessel. You might even come out even when you consider the costs of the bigger tow vehicle. Oh, and you'll probably have more fun and less worry to boot. _________________ MartyP
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SENSEI
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1067 City/Region: Stanwood
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I know that many of you followed Byrdman and I on our travels towing a Rosborough 246 from TN to WA state. it was set up similar to Grumpy's except our tow rig was a Ford Excursion Diesel Two wheel drive. Tripple axel King trailer with electric over Hyd. brakes. there were times when we were traveling that I almost forgot the boat was back there. it was a very easy pull for us.
My experience driving a commercial doubles tanker truck hauling milk into downtown Seattle migh have given me an edge pulling this boat tho. _________________ Roger on the "SENSEI"
1983 22 Classic (acquired 1995)
1995 25 Cruiseship (sold 2012)
1993 22 Cruiser (sold 2014)
1995 22 Angler (acquired 2016)
1983 22 Classic (sold 2017) |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7882 City/Region: marysville
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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it 's all a matter of what you are used too. Those of us with class A ratings have trailered all sorts of stuff. Before concrete I ran propane in the snow for a few years. driving a 10,000 gallon bob tail two wheel drive in the snow up and down dirt road 12 hours a day can get hairy, until you get use to it. Same thing with towing a boat. You just have to get out and pratice. Pratice is not going to the ramp. Take the truck and boat out once in a while and just drive it around town . Go to the gas station you like best. get on and off the highway. everything gets easier with pratice. None of these boats are as big or as long as a semi, so why would it be hard to tow? _________________ Thomas J Elliott
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Grumpy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1606 City/Region: Whidbey Is
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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A few more advantages to trailering:-
1. Don't have to spend $2K+ on first time bottom paint and the maintenance thereof every couple of years.
2. Not sitting in an elelectrolytic bathtub of marine life soup (aka Marina) for 90% of it's life.
3. It's outside my window day and night if I want to save myself $x/hr to do all those "minor" jobs and housekeeping tasks.
4. I have two large hairy guards to keep out lower forms of life.
5. It doesn't cost $200/month (min) slip fees.
Yes, there will be a day when we can't manage the hauling and launching stuff but we will probably have a few other factors to consider at that time.
New day = new decision.
Do it while you can.
Merv |
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Dene
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 444 City/Region: Kalama
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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dotnmarty wrote: | Another option would be to keep it in the water and spend the next several years exploring "the great water out here". Then, instead of towing the wide load, buy a 16 or 22 ft. easily towable used C-Dory as a second vessel. You might even come out even when you consider the costs of the bigger tow vehicle. Oh, and you'll probably have more fun and less worry to boot. |
That's precisely my strategery. This allowed me to keep my paid for Explorer vs. buying a larger rig.
Another option is to moor the boat in the off-season and trailer it in the summer. Off season moorage rates are relatively low. For example, at Brownsville, we pay $128/mo. from Oct-April with unlimited power. This makes it nice for winter boating, in that you are in and out without having to haul and tow the boat in inclement weather.
-Greg |
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Grumpy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1606 City/Region: Whidbey Is
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Nearly forgot:-
6. If (read "when") it breaks or needs expert attention, I can haul it to the dealer of choice rather than fall upon the mercies of the "fixer" nearest my marina who may or may not be good. This was a key driver when cruising in the Borughtons. In case of any major problem we would only have needed a local tow to Telegraph cove, then bring the boat home to be fixed rather than having to either leave the boat in Canada or get a 200 mile tow home.
Big trucks are really cheap right now for some reason
Merv |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20813 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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My personal experience, not as extensive as some others, includes oversized loads on High Sierra Dirt roads and towing boats and RV's which total length is at or treater than 65 feet and one 9'6" boat. I had not problem on the high way with the long rig--I had cameras on the RV and boat at 65 feet. No problems launching at a ramp. The only problems were at RV parks--where camp sites were often a bit tight--and the occasional gas station (gas rig, so I could not use the diesel pumps)--but a little foresight, and backing and filling always resolved these problems.
My experience with the wide load was that on narrow roads it was difficult, because of the overhand of branches, and narrow pavement--there are some roads which are not 11 or 12 feet wide per lane and you have to be very aware. But my RV, with awnings is almost 9' wide, and with mirrors is over 10' 6" wide, and no permit required---but it gives you a prospective on how wide the road is--and sometimes you need to stay right.
I have towed 9'6" locally with no wide load permit--but for any long distance towing I would get the wide load. I would wonder about towing an 8,000 lb (base weight) boat with a 1/2 ton truck--does not sound wise to me. If towing between states, I would get the permits.
I was under the impression that the Rosborough 246 was 8'6" beam, so that represents no problem. _________________ Bob Austin
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westward
Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Posts: 718 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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As Dr. Bob mentions, the Rosborough RF246 has a legally towable 8'-6" beam. I've seen and pored over them many times at EQ Harbor marine as part of my "dream-building" process. They are big, robust, sturdy boats but they appear to be very reasonably trailerable. The examples I've seen have all been sitting on trailers. My guess is that a heavy-duty tow-ready 3/4 ton would work, and that a 1-ton would handle it easily. Not really familiar with the other 2 boats you mention. My old trailering guidelines included: park at the far end of the Safeway lot, pull up so as not to be be blocked on the way out of any parking spot, touch check the wheel bearings at every stop, don't be afraid to slow down/downshift when pulling over a mountain pass, and don't use the drive-through at the McDonald's. As others have shared, it can be much more efficient and effective to cover the long hauls on the road rather than over water. Best of luck, Mike. |
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