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breausaw
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 1222 City/Region: Anchorage
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Triple J
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Storing Extra fuel on 22 cruisers |
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We don’t have the option of re-fueling on the water... The nearest port is 85 miles and we generally go in the opposite direction, so stopping for fuel isn’t and option. Most weekends 50 gallons gets us buy in keeping with the 30% rule; having 30% fuel onboard returning to port. On extended trips we take two 5gal jugs stowed between the fuel tanks, and this works out as long as we take it easy while on station.
For extended trips we’d like to take 20 to 25 extra gallons along.
Any and all ideas or options welcome.
Thanks, _________________ Jay
2007 22ft C-Dory Triple J 2007-2012
2007 25ft C-Dory Triple J 2012-2018
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Wayne McCown
Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 368 City/Region: Rochester
State or Province: NY
C-Dory Year: 1999
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Little Mac
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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NAKNEK built, for a cruise up the Inland Passage to Alaska, a simple frame to hold five 5 gallon plastic gas containers across the top of the cabin, from rail to rail.
I don't find any pics in the album. But you might contact the owner (Casey) for info. |
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cemiii
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 419 City/Region: Alamo
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Angler
Vessel Name: The Last One........ III
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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You might be able to rig something up where you could store 4-5 plastic jugs in the splash well. Maybe adding 2 cross bars (maybe even 1 {top} removable) so you could , when removed and stored in a gunnel well, fully tilt the ob's. The one bar would be low such that the jugs would sit level in the well and would allow your control cables to slide underneath without interference. The removable one would be up high to stop backward slide. After you use enough fuel to empty the storage tanks you might be able to store the empties with a bungee net on the bow. Hold the tanks tight together with a long bungee while in your fashioned rack.
If I were trying this, I'd probably use 3/4" galvanized pipe underneath drilled through the well sides and screw on end caps. I'd probably try 1/2" pipe for the top lesser weight bearing rail cut to fit snugly into side brackets (1 with a hole, 1 with a "U"cut to drop in, both brackets fashioned from something like Starboard and SS bolted to the sidewell.
Just thinking out loud.
Chris |
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tpbrady
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 891 City/Region: Anchorage
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Bidarka II
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Jay,
I want to keep as much weight forward as possible, so while it looks funny, I can put two 5 gallon containers on the bow laying on their sides. If I stand them upright they tend to block forward visibility. You have to be sure they don't leak when you do that. If you need to fill up and don't want to carry the container around to the stern, you just tie a rope to it and drop it over the side and pull it to the cockpit. Doing this I can carry and extra 20 gallons without too much trouble. 10 gallons in my garbage can in the cockpit, and 10 gallons on the bow. I also toyed with the idea of putting two containers in the dinghy on the roof but haven't done that yet. _________________ Tom
22 Cruiser Bidarka 2004-2009
25 Cruiser Bidarka II 2010-2013
38 Trawler Mia Terra 2012-2015
42 Nordic Tug 2015-
28 KingFisher 2009-2014
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Chris-
Look at this:
Saddle Tanks
Note this is at 85 or 86 Classic but could be done on a '87 or later Cruiser or Angler, etc.
I think Oldgrowth Dave added saddle tanks to is stretched 16/18 as well.
See HERE
PLEASE NOTE HE BUILT AND TESTED AND INSTALLED THESE ALUMINUM TANKS HIMSELF!!! WHATTA CRAFTSMAN,HUH?
JOE. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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cemiii
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 419 City/Region: Alamo
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Thinking about this even more, what I might even be more likely to do, would be to buy about 4 or 5 of those 6 gallon poly outboard tanks (wal-mart) with the quick connects on.
I'd just put 'em on the floor at the back of the boat and connect to each one until they were empty (no messy refueling transfer process). Then after depleting those, I'd connect to my fixed tanks and move the empties to a bow or roof bungee net tie down. Cheap solution without having to modify anything.
Chris
Joe, thanks for the red fox links. |
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C-Hawk
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2146 City/Region: Carpinteria / Channel Islands
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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cemiii wrote: | Thinking about this even more, what I might even be more likely to do, would be to buy about 4 or 5 of those 6 gallon poly outboard tanks (wal-mart) with the quick connects on.
I'd just put 'em on the floor at the back of the boat and connect to each one until they were empty (no messy refueling transfer process). Then after depleting those, I'd connect to my fixed tanks and move the empties to a bow or roof bungee net tie down. Cheap solution without having to modify anything.
Chris
Joe, thanks for the red fox links. |
This is what we used to do when we would go out 50+ miles in the 17' Arima for albacore.
Works great. _________________ Roger
2002- CD22- "Fishtales" returned to factory 2008
2008- CD22- "C-Hawk" Sold
KJ6VVB
A Brat I am, At sea I be
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breausaw
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 1222 City/Region: Anchorage
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Triple J
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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tpbrady wrote: | Jay,
I want to keep as much weight forward as possible, so while it looks funny, I can put two 5 gallon containers on the bow laying on their sides. If I stand them upright they tend to block forward visibility. You have to be sure they don't leak when you do that. If you need to fill up and don't want to carry the container around to the stern, you just tie a rope to it and drop it over the side and pull it to the cockpit. Doing this I can carry and extra 20 gallons without too much trouble. 10 gallons in my garbage can in the cockpit, and 10 gallons on the bow. I also toyed with the idea of putting two containers in the dinghy on the roof but haven't done that yet. |
Tom
This is probable the simplest solution, I’ve actually considered stowing a couple of jugs on the bow. Like you we’d have an additional 20gal with my two in the cockpit; perhaps hang the empties off the stern cleats. |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2673 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
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C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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On extended cruises we carried on two different years 50 extra gallons in six 6 gallon and four 5 gallon containers along with a whole lot of other stuff in the cockpit. Would have been hard to stuff in much more than what we did. Encountered some pretty rough conditions and situations without the extra fuel weight in cockpit being a problem. Was much more concerned about the transfer of fuel from the containers to boat fuel tanks in open water. Again did so in some trying conditions.
2004 cruise set up
2007 cruise set up
Jay _________________ Jay and Jolee 2000 22 CD cruiser Hunkydory
I will not waste my days in trying to prolong them------Jack London
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Another memory resurfaces from somewhere in what's left of my brain of folks talking about using a bladder on the cockpit floor that could be rolled up when empty and stored on the roof when crossing from the Florida Keys to islands south in the Carribean (sp.) and Gulf?
Joe. |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2673 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Sea Wolf wrote: | Another memory resurfaces from somewhere in what's left of my brain of folks talking about using a bladder on the cockpit floor that could be rolled up when empty and stored on the roof when crossing from the Florida Keys to islands south in the Carribean (sp.) and Gulf?
Joe. |
Joe, that thought coming out the left of the brain just might be Chris on the Orca and his Mckenzie Expedition. Know the use of a bladder was talked about even before the expedition. Can't remember if it ended up being used, so sure don't know if it worked out.
Jay |
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DaveS
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 3204 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Shift
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Joe's memory is excellent as I also remember someone in the past talking about utilizing a fuel bladder when cruising out of Key West, Florida. (It certainly was a few years ago). Photos were even posted at the time.
(That's not to say that a fuel bladder wasn't used in the expedition you are referring to, because that may have occurred as well). _________________ Dave S.
"Sea Shift"
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breausaw
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 1222 City/Region: Anchorage
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Thanks again for all the suggestions and ideas, the C-dory think tank comes through again. |
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