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Doryman
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Apple (product) != Apple (company)
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RJD Wannabe
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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As a newby, I'm gonna duck the "trash it and get a real computer."
I am curious about Mac and GPS as I have 6 Macs, including 3 laptops.
here is one option I came across:
MacGPS Pro software, with MapTech BSB Charts for the USA, including Alaska and Hawaii, on two DVDs.
and another:
GPSNavX™ is the very affordable solution for the boater that wants to take the Mac aboard for real-time display of position on full color marine raster format BSB and Softcharts.
Any other ideas?? Sounds like a few macophiles here. Seems to make sense with the GPS pucs available. I don't want to run Windows latest POS on my Mac. TIA
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JamesTXSD
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| dogon dory wrote: | | I'd like to hear a perspective from someone in the Apple counter culture crowd about the iPod and now iPhone phenomenon. ... |
I don't consider myself part of any particular counter culture, Dan. I just like stuff that works. Like it's supposed to. I've had several PCs... only used for specific software/photo packaging applications in our business; they locked up frequently and were "clunky" to use (no, that's not a counter culture technical term - they just weren't smooth in function like all our Macs). I even bought an inexpensive Dell laptop a couple years ago, thinking it might be a better solution for charting... I was wrong.
I do have an iPod. It, too, is easy. I use it most evenings, mostly for listening to podcasts (mostly boating related) that I've downloaded with iTunes (also easy). I don't use it in public and don't really give a rat's rear if anyone thinks it's cool or not. I enjoy it, so I use it. I just downloaded a half dozen new programs to listen to last night. Free - my favorite price. I have to say, I've never paid for anything for my iPod, but is has been handy to download my own CDs (and photos) on it... hundreds of songs, podcasts, and a few video clips in a small (easy to use) device.
Now, the iPhone - it looks pretty cool, but I think it's only available with AT&T, and we use Verizon. I use the free phone that Verizon gives you every couple years... well, OK, they get my money every month, so I know it isn't "free". So, I really can't speak for or against the iPhone.
I've never considered myself particularly normal (I used an Apple IIe when the rest of the world used IBMs, rode Harleys before they were "cool", and have owned mostly "different" boats and vehicles. But, I don't do it to be "cool" (or is that: kewl) or different). I do what I enjoy. Perhaps that's why I was self-employed most of my life? (Joan says I am hard-core unemployable because of my willingness to point out BS  ).
Now, very sincerely, absolutely no kidding (and that's not easy for me to do), I don't really care what kind of a computer, boat, electronics, car, bike, house, jeans, shoes, etc, etc anyone else has. I only made the Mac vs PC comment because of your remark about a "real computer." I know there are a lot of folks out there who think what they do or what they have is "the best." Any remark I make here about "the best" should be taken tongue in cheek. What's good for me and my circumstances may or may not work for others. I'm happy to give an opinion when asked if something works or doesn't (for me).
Especially since we've retired, "stuff" doesn't mean as much to me as it used to. I don't judge people by their "stuff". And I don't particularly care how they feel about my "stuff" (this is beginning to sound like a George Carlin routine gone bad).
My 70 year old brother-in-law recently had to replace his computer. He asked my advice, I recommended an iMac, knowing what his usage would be. He thinks I'm a genius because it's so much faster, easier, better looking (and viewing), and... did I mention EASIER than his old PC. But, it's a tool... I wouldn't recommend a hammer to him when he needs a screwdriver. But yet again, I digress...
I'm guessing we were all just having fun with the Mac vs PC crap. In case anyone thought I was implying that everyone should use a Mac, I'm not... but it sure works GREAT for me. If a Mac question comes up, I probably have more background with it than you... if a "should I build my own PC" question comes up, I won't offer an answer, 'cause it's out of my realm of experience. But, if anyone buys "stuff" to be cool... well, that's how many companies market their products. I just buy what I like.
Stay cool, 
Jim B.
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OK, "Emulation" Blame the Spell Checker...Mean while back in the boat....Who would have thought I would have to drive 20 miles this morning to buy the correct angle countersink...Bummer! These fishing pole holders are turning into a major project.  |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: Windows and Mac OS |
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Dan,
I don't think you did anything but give us all a good natured laugh. FYI, I just retired from a career of programming and managing programmers (can you spell herding cats), and I wrote Window's code back in the old days using 'C' without the benefit of the newer development suites. Those were the good old days... or were they?
I guess the ongoing instability and vulnerabilities that seem to be in every release of Windows are what got to me. Today is Tuesday, so when I boot the XP machine, I expect that there will be a Microsoft update waiting for me. OK, the truth is out... I use both OS's. When all is said and done, I really do enjoy UNIX more than anything, but it is so impractical as an end user's machine. And yes, VI is the best code editor ever developed (did I really say that?)
cd \
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Cures all ills.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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So I’m reading this thread and wondering,  how does a laptop compare to say a Garmin GPS Plotter with a Blue Chart Marine Data Card? 
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Windows and Mac OS |
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Ouch! I would be PISSED if somebody tried that on my 'puter just to see what would happen! (From my instant Google education on Unix, we have just changed to the root directory and recursively deleted all files in all directories, correct?)
| Wandering Sagebrush wrote: | Dan,
cd \
rm * -rf
Cures all ills.
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JamesTXSD
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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While we're kinda on the subject of iPods and iTunes, there are some good boating podcasts that I listen to on a regular basis:
Furled Sails (leaning more towards sailing stuff, but really good interviews with a wide variety of people involved in all types of boating)
World of Boating (kinda reminds me of "Car Talk" only about boats - light hearted, but fun to listen to. Also available on syndicated radio, including Sirius)
Power and Motoryacht (video podcasts, short reviews of some neat boats that I could never afford )
Raymarine puts out a monthly podcast.
Do a search on iTunes for whatever topic floats your boat, and you'll likely find that someone has done a podcast about it. And the price is right (free).
If you find you enjoy a particular podcast, you can generally download all the older shows (Furled Sails has produced over 100).
I keep the iPod by the bed... if I can't sleep, I put one earbud in and spend an hour or so being entertained without waking the Blonde. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| breausaw wrote: | | So I’m reading this thread and wondering, how does a laptop compare to say a Garmin GPS Plotter with a Blue Chart Marine Data Card? |
Hi Jay,
Just one guy's opinion - I much prefer a chartplotter at the helm of our C-Dory... fewer buttons to press and I have the screen mounted right where I need it. Overlaid radar and depth info. For planning purposes, I like the computer generally, for ease/speed of zooming around. On our boat, they both play functional roles. With the right mounting, no reason the laptop wouldn't work, and the price is right on the charts in the US... and you can't access the internet (yet) with your chartplotter. Pros and cons.
Best wishes,
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| so I've been downloading the demo's and so far Coastal Explorer seems to be the best any thoughts ...... |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: rm * -rf |
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Pat,
You were correct. It's a change to the root directory in UNIX, and a 'forced recursive' deletion of all files. And for goodness sakes, I hope no one ever does that to their UNIX box. It ain't pretty.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Windows and Mac OS |
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| Wandering Sagebrush wrote: | cd \
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Cures all ills. |
I'm so used to that I thought your way was wrong, but when I tested it, it worked just the same. Learn something new every day!
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dogon dory
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| thataway wrote: | A RAM mount is the best way to secure the Laptop:
http://www.ram-mount.com/
We have used laptops on trawlers. Our personal experience is that the incovience of the lap top outways its advantages, but we still use one for planning. The problems which we encounted were "daylight viewing"--night time viewing (not dim enough, but there are "night settings" for the programs. We used a "hood" made of cardboard, or black foam board and velcro for the daytime. It is difficult to find laptops with screens as bright as most marine plotters (brightness reported in NITs). 500 nits is a niminum for good viewing in our experience.
We have used serial interfaces--plus the USB input from "puck" type of gPS. There are converters for Serial to USB--but be sure that it will work well for your application. These start at about $15, on up.
We like to have our chart plotting right below foreward line of sight, so that you do not have to take your eyes off the water, or if so, for a brief time only. We find that dedicated chart plotters have a faster redraw and quilting time than laptops. The brightness and dimness has been mentioned. The controls of a dedicated plotter are much easier to use than a laptop--at least for us. Also the dedicated plotters are a more stable platform.
the way to go. I would suggest that you get a "DeLorme" streets and trips with USB gps reciever for about $70 and see how well the laptop works before investing in a full blown marine program. (Or at least the high end programs.) |
I purchased DeLorme Earthmate LT-20 on one DVD with GPS puck for $49 (sale price, no rebate) last night at Best Buy. It was raining hard and the employees out numbered me 3 to 1. I wish they had coffee but a Coke was fine and it was fun to shop in a nearly empty store. Installation was flawless on a XP box. I plotted one travel trip to Florida and it easily showed gas station, truck stops, restaurants, rest stops,...... It has many more features to learn and tonight discovered it copies maps to my Palm PDA.
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