ETHANOL

thataway · Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject:

Ethanol was not the "brain child" of any one administration. I agree that politics should be kept out--but stick to the facts. It has been phased in over a very long time. An engine which ran on ethanol and turpentine was built in 1826! (including early Fords which ran on Ethanol in 1908. ) In the WWII era the military used it as a fuel, with large scale production. It was added to fuel as an oxgenator, when MTBE was banned. In 1990, 1992, 1995 and 1998 federal regulations required ethanol in many areas.

I am a bit confused about not running E 15 in a 2011 Fusion--since the engine is designed to run on E 85, and one of my friends who owns one had recently run his car on E 85...

In any case, I am not in favor of Ethanol as a primary fuel source, even though some of my income is derived from the growth of corn.

My IRA · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject:

FYI- The 2011 Fusion Hybrid was never designed to run on E85, it is not a flex fuel vehicle (according to FMC). Check with Ford Motor Company, I have and was told in writing that the use of even E15, will void the new car warranty (a surprise to me).[color=darkblue][/color]

Tug · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:01 pm Post subject:

Ethanol should be illegal!

dotnmarty · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:18 pm Post subject:

Lots of interesting discussion on the net regarding Hybrid vs. E85 Flex Fuel. The hybrid wins going away (so to speak). I do love my 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid 4X4, which has been trouble free. Mileage is just OK, I got 30 mph on our trip to Moab, but around home it is around 27 or 28. I'm considering that Ford Fusion hybrid, but I'd hate to part with the Escape.

Captains Cat · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject:

Larry H · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject:

Slogans to live by!! LOL

Corn alcohol is for drinking, and corn is for eating!

Livestock and poultry can turn corn into meat, milk, and eggs, try eating petroleum!

Burn imported oil first, save ours for when foreign countries run out!

Our government does not operate by logic, or in our best interest, but rather by who pays the most$$$$$$

If we use it all up now, what about our great, great, great grandchildren?

Simplicity · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:53 pm Post subject:

Even if using ethanol as a fuel is a good idea , making it out of corn is not according to a number of experts in the field. Making ethanol from other biomass such as wood debris might make more sense if the process can be perfected.
Corn ethanol is all about powerful lobbyists. I'm not just picking on farmers. Many lobbys in washington wield too much power. Farmers still get paid for Not growing some crops also. Only government could come up with that idea. Iowa farm land is now $10000 an acre.(25% increase in one year)

dotnmarty · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject:

Captains Cat · Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:00 am Post subject:

oldgrowth · Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject:

I quit using ethanol gas about three months ago. Since then I have noticed my truck has more power and it has increased my gas mileage close to 10%. Pulling the boat my gas mileage is about 15% better. It cost a little more but I more than make up for it in increased gas mileage. One of the stations without ethanol is within a quarter mile of where I launch in Olympia so I always make sure the boat is full of real gas before I launch. There are two other stations within 20 miles of me that primarily service farmers and logger so they have non-ethanol gas. I have a lot of power equipment with small gas engines and until I located the stations without ethanol in their gas it was a constant fight to keep them properly tuned and running.

This next election I hope we elect some sensible representatives in congress and a president that will eliminate this E-10 and E-15 requirement.

Dave

www.tolandmarine.com

Doryman · Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:33 am Post subject:

I don't think it is a question of sensible, I think it is a question of getting the big ag lobby money out of the process. Not sure that will ever happen, unfortunately.

Warren

Captains Cat · Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:51 am Post subject:

We've actually got a gas station, the closest one to our house in VA that sells both ethanol and non ethanol, same price!! Thumbs Up

Charlie

drjohn71a · Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:42 am Post subject:

Charlie,

After having bragged in the past on site about still having the choice of unleaded or ethanol here in Kansas, I came to a rude awakening at breakfast the other day.

One of the fuel truck drivers mentioned that, when he pulls into the stations that have two pumps, some for same price, some less for the ethanol "labeled" pumps, that he puts the SAME FUEL IN BOTH THE UNLEADED REGULAR AND ETHANOL storage tanks.

Only at the CO-OPs in Kansas can you be certain of getting non-alcohol gas.

I could not believe they can put Ethanol in an Unleaded Regular supply tank and pump! But that's what they are doing here now.

John

localboy · Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: