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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Lori Ann
Photos: Lori Ann
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Spike38 wrote: | Matt and Doryman, how did you discover the solid uncored hull section was there - and its location? |
Jeff Messemer told me when I was considering buying the boat and indicated that I wanted to avoid a transom-mounted transducer. This is something your dealer should know.
Warren _________________ Doryman
M/V Lori Ann
TomCat 255, Hull #55, 150 Yamahas
Anacortes, WA
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C-Hawk
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2150 City/Region: Carpinteria / Channel Islands
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Hawk
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Is this only in the TC 255? Is there a solid area on the CD22?
First I've heard about this. I have considered going to a through hull. In the past, I've lost signal over 8 knots of speed. _________________ Roger
2002- CD22- "Fishtales" returned to factory 2008
2008- CD22- "C-Hawk" Sold
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A Brat I am, At sea I be
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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Lori Ann
Photos: Lori Ann
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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C-Hawk wrote: | Is this only in the TC 255? Is there a solid area on the CD22? |
I've only heard of the transducer location for the TC255, not for any other CD. It's easier to do in the TC255 because the location in the middle of the sponson is more easily set up for a vertical placement. In the monohulls, there would have to be an angled shelf built, and then a box around it to contain the oil bath.
Warren |
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matt_unique
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1881 City/Region: Boston
State or Province: MA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Napoleon
Photos: Napoleon
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: Shoot thru hull |
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Doryman wrote: | C-Hawk wrote: | Is this only in the TC 255? Is there a solid area on the CD22? |
I've only heard of the transducer location for the TC255, not for any other CD. It's easier to do in the TC255 because the location in the middle of the sponson is more easily set up for a vertical placement. In the monohulls, there would have to be an angled shelf built, and then a box around it to contain the oil bath.
Warren |
With my transducer I had to determine the angle of that portion of the sponson and adjust the transducer housing to match such that she was shooting straight down. I can't remember the exact number but I figured out it was around 14-16 degees. It would probably work without any sort of angle but it was required with my particular directions/transducer.
Is yours angled at all? I recall you have a higher powered transducer compared to mine (mine is a 600 w Airmar). _________________ Captain Matt
Former owner of Napoleon (Tomcat) Hull #65 w/Counter Rotating Suzuki 150's. |
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C-Hawk
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2150 City/Region: Carpinteria / Channel Islands
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Hawk
Photos: C-Hawk
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Warren, Matt
Thanks. I didn't think I had heard of this on a CD.
I was wondering about this and what the beam refraction would be as the beam waves passed through the different materials of various velocities.
As long as the 'ducer is mounted straight to the block, it should be ok. I've used standoffs before for straight beam, as well as wedges to create shearwave.
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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Lori Ann
Photos: Lori Ann
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Shoot thru hull |
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matt_unique wrote: | Is yours angled at all? I recall you have a higher powered transducer compared to mine (mine is a 600 w Airmar). |
Matt, the dealer installed the transducer and at the time I didn't know enough to know what questions to ask (such as this one.) I just have to assume that it was installed correctly.
My transducer is a 200 KHz R199. I think the factory had it left over from some project and they offered it to me as part of an incentive to buy the boat in November instead of at the SBS.
Warren |
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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1191 City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Per Sea wolf's request I put 3 pic's of my transducer sliding mount in my photo album "HIGH TIDE" p.2.
Also........I contacted Garmin about mounting transducers side by side.........NO if the freq. is the same. Others above have pointed that out. IE, two 200 freq. transducers side by side will screw both of them up. _________________ On the HIGH TIDE-II, wife Carolyn and I.....Another summer fishing on the HIGH TIDE II in the Cook Inlet at Cape Ninilchik, Alaska.
HIGH TIDE-II; 2005 26' ProAngler; 2003 200 Honda / 2009 9.9 Honda high thrust
No. CD026021I405; AK-5008-AK
MSSI No. 338143486(cancelled)
HIGH TIDE; 1983 Angler Classic 22'; 90 Honda/ 9.9 Tohatsu-sold 2009 to son Dan (flatfishfool)
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C-Hawk
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2150 City/Region: Carpinteria / Channel Islands
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Hawk
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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In order to get good coverage of various depths you should have a 50/200kHz. I run mine with a split screen.
The 50kHz has a longer wave length and will read the deeper water better.
The 200kHz has a shorter wave length and will attenuate quicker- making it better at reading shallow water.
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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1191 City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Going against all advice I decided to install my transducers side by side on my homemade sliding mount "thingy". I will report how it works out.
The Hummingbird Matrix 37 will be on 83 and the Garmin 198c will be on dual 200/50. |
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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1191 City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
Photos: HIGH TIDE II
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: Results of two depth finder transducers |
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The experiment worked great. My transducers were set up as explained in post above side by side , one inch apart.
I have been out twice and used both depth finders and they both work perfectly. Then I put the Humm. on 200/83 with the Garmin on 200/50. They both worked good. I tried turning one then the other off and there was no difference.
Life is good once more on the HIGH TIDE. |
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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Lori Ann
Photos: Lori Ann
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Results of two depth finder transducers |
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Jack in Alaska wrote: | Then I put the Humm. on 200/83 with the Garmin on 200/50. They both worked good. |
Anyone know if there is any significant functional difference between 50 and 83 Hz? I'm curious why Hummingbird went with this frequency.
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21378 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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The lower frequency transducers are better for deeper water. The higher frequency are for shallow water. The 83 was probably chosen as a compromise. I find that the 200 (plus or minus) do well up to 600 foot depths. Most of my depth finders are dual frequencies. I have used an 83 hz hummingbird (have one on the Century) and it is a decent in-expensive unit. A 50 and 83 mhz units should not interfere with each other.
I have found that solid glass with good coupling (I ususally use mineral oil) gives very little attenuation of the signal--beam width seems to remain about the same for all practical purposes. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Lori Ann
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | I find that the 200 (plus or minus) do well up to 600 foot depths. Most of my depth finders are dual frequencies. |
This reminds me that last weekend when we took the boat from Anacortes to Lake Washington and back for SeaFair, when we transited some really deep parts of the sound or the lake my Airmar shoot-through would lose contact with the bottom. Now that I think about it, I can't remember whether I was displaying both frequencies or only one. Hmmm. Anyway, I had read and been told that shooting through would cause signal loss at deep depths. Since I don't fish at 500+ feet it does not bother me that this happened.
BTW what a zoo SeaFair is. It was fun to experience once but I think I have it out of my system now! The worst part of it was dealing with the clueless skippers. The funnest part of the trip was being the lead boat out of the lock into the Sound going home.
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jacuthbert
Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Posts: 117 City/Region: Vail
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Pohaku
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:49 pm Post subject: depth transducer location |
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In reading your threads about mounting a transducer, I noticed a suggestion about mounting in the aft bilge. I have a CDory 25. Is this do-able? Can it also be mounted in the splashwell in front of the motor?
Thanks
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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What kind of transducer do you have Amanda? If it's one that mounts on the stern, outside of the hull, it cannot be mounted inside the boat. I suspect, if it's the one you got from a Brat, it's a fishfinder type that has to mount outside of the boat on the hull.
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
Captain's Kitten (1995 CD 16 Angler- Sold June 2010)
Captain's Choice (1994 CD 22 Cruiser- Sold Jun 2007)
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