Choosing Between Various Heaters and Stoves

Sea Wolf · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:20 am Post subject:

siddfynch-

This is one of those topics that we go around on yearly about now, in the fall, when the weather turns cold.

First, look through all the cabin interior photos of different heater installations. The ones on my boat, Sea Wolf, which features a Cozy Cabin heater and a three burner propane cook top, have full explanations of how and why everything was done, including safety measures, and the tank placment. Start HERE.

Then you can go to the Cabin, Interior Forum and read about the topics on heaters and stoves. Forget about the Wallas, Webasto, and Espar if you don't want to spend $2500-$3000. The Toyotomi is about $1500 (a few years ago anyway), but will drive you crazy cycling on and off all night, as it's output is too great for a CD-22, and it can only cycle on and off to maintain a temperature, there being no multiple output level settings.

There will be discussions of the pros and cons of using a Mr. Buddy Heater (unvented) as well. Read them carefully!

Let us know what additional questions you have.

Good Luck!

Joe. Teeth

Patrout · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:06 am Post subject:

It dropped to about 12 degrees last night here in North Pole. There's maybe an inch or two of snow on the ground and the pond out by our lane has a thin film of ice on it. Winter is a-coming, alright.

I have a small Danielson on the C-Farer. It fits right in the back corner of the cabin. I like the sealed air intake-exhaust system just fine. The fan circulates the air enough to keep the windows from fogging up when it's rainy and the temps drop into the 50's and below.

I got 3 nights of heat this August out of a one-pound bottle of propane and I was very glad to have the stove on those cool nights out on the water. The stove came mounted on a nice stainless steel heat shield that we cut to fit the cabin, too.

If you search the message threads, you'll find someone's propane box that was installed in the cockpit on the starboard side next to the bulkhead. That's a nice place to put your tank and provide a step up, too.

Pat

lloyds · Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject:

The Espars I have had were all mounted in the cockpit lazarettes, which although outside the cabin area, were still too close to the living area. The do such a good job that they go through the start up cycle, hot air blows, then a couple minutes later the living space reaches the temperature you set and they shut down. But on boats the living space cools down so fast that the heater then cycles on again. A bit noisy.

Chester · Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject:

Here is the link journey on referred to; http://dragonfly-trimarans.org/wallas_diesel.htm

Has anyone found instructions on how any to go deeper into the unit. The thing is built like a Chinese puzzle.

Captains Cat · Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject:

Hey Milehog, Here's a great Pictorial on going deep into Mr. Wallas...

Charlie

Sea Wolf · Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject:

Charlie-

Nice find on the Wallas instructions from the Dragonfly Forum!

Two or more things really need to be done regarding these heater / stove topics.

1.) A separate forum for Heaters and Stoves needs to be established to separate them from the rest of the Cabin, Interior topics.

2.) The forum needs to be divided into

A. Wallas Stove Topics, with a Documents and Manuals Section. Photo section included.

B. (an) Other Stoves and Heaters section. Photo section included.

I know this might be a lot of work, but finding information on specific stove and heater problems can be difficult.

This A/B division might be complicated or impossible if some of the threads contain discussions of both Wallas and other stoves and heaters, but cutting them out of the rest of the cabin, Interior Forum would be useful itself, including their photos.

Just another crazy idea for $0.02 (minus, of course, a %-age for 700 points off the Dow Jones Industrial Average so far, today)! Sad

Joe.

Captains Cat · Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject:

Concur Joe. Of course, we don't have to do it. I'd be glad to give it a crack if I had the permissions....

Dow Shocked

Sure glad I'm gonna work for another 5 years or so and don't need my retirement accounts right away! Maybe they'll be back up by then! Wink

Charlie

Sea Wolf · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:32 am Post subject:

I'm bringing this topic back up to answer an email that won't transmit for me:

Re: Propane heaters and stoves:

Do you have a photo of the installation for these, or have you shown this
> previously. I do not like my Wallas, I prefer propane.
>
> MikeC

Mike-

The photo story of my installation is in the detail photos that are under the "Cabin, Interior" Forum. My installation starts on the second line of photos and has full details:

See here:

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=Cabin,Interior&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Let me know if you have questons. There is a specific thread about the installation somewhere, but it's hard to find.

Joe.

Westfield 11 · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:09 am Post subject:

Two thoughts regarding propane: Composite tanks are now available and might be a valid alternative to Alloy.

Also propane contains a lot of moisture that is released as it burns, if used in a non-vented installation you may have condensation issues.

Sea Wolf · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject:

Jeanie P · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:57 am Post subject:

All the Mr. Buddy heater adds say that they last 108 hours. Do they mean that the heating filament or something else will wear out sometime after that so that you have to replace the heater?

Allan

Sea Wolf · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:57 am Post subject:

Jeanie P · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject:

I thought I was reading it wrong. Embarassed

It didn't make sense to have to buy a new one that soon.
Thanks Joe.

Allan

Alli Cat · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Heater

We are also considering adding another heater other than the Wallas cooktop. I am looking for advise/experience on the mounting location for a Webasto or Espar in our Tomcat 2007 and any pictures. The goal is to add heat/defrost to the windows as well as overall cabin heat.

Fred

Alli Cat

macmac · Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: Wallas reference materials

Concerning any issues involving Wallas stoves, ovens or furnaces, please use only current, authorized reference materials. These can be found at one of two sites:

www.scanmarineusa.com Go to Tech Talk and look for the papers in .pdf.

or

www.wallas.fi Click the "English" option unless you are a Finn.

Current materials are very important. Changes and improvements to Wallas products are ongoing. Important features can be absent from outdated reference guides.

Finally, please contact us at Scan Marine for troubleshooting. We can help in most cases, M-F, 9-5.

Thanks for using Wallas!