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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 1808
City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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| thataway wrote: | Check to be sure the new cable push pull steering is a "non feed back system". What this means is that the pressure on the cable is not pushed back on the helm. If you have a NF system, it will be much easier to steer. A motor that small should don't be an issue. The NF systems are a few dollars more expensive, but well worth it. The helm itself is less than $150.
There may be something binding when the boat comes up to speed, and pressure is on the steering tube. Even if greased--it may pay to put further grease, until if is oozing out of the end of the tube. Then with steering disconnected, try turning back and forth--see if any place is binding. |
It's has to be something like this. It's a bit weird that in a static situation it doesn't do it. Then again, motors are much harder to turn when underway. I sort of suspected the pivot tube on the engine, because they can get corroded and seize, but I don't think that is it since there are two different engines involved. There is a reason it has a new cable - not a coincidence in my opinion. I would be taking it all apart back there. |
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Roamad
Joined: 20 Jul 2021
Posts: 103
City/Region: Sacramento
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1988
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
Vessel Name: Fika
Photos: Roamad
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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How do I tell if my steering cable is of the “non-feedback” type?
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Now: 1983 22’ C-Dory Classic, 2001 Honda 90hp
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johnr
Joined: 08 Apr 2007
Posts: 308
City/Region: Bellingham
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Photos: Surf Scoter
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Roamad wrote: | | How do I tell if my steering cable is of the “non-feedback” type? |
The way it was explained to me when I had it installed, with a non-feedback system, you eliminate the torque from the outboard, so if you let go of the steering wheel, the boat is still going straight, more or less. Without the non-feedback, the torque will cause the steering wheel to turn immediately, so you always have to keep your hands firmly on the steering wheel to keep the boat from turning.
For me, this was true and very obvious. Do you have to keep your hands firmly on the wheel to keep your boat from turning? |
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012
Posts: 3563
City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| johnr wrote: | | Roamad wrote: | | How do I tell if my steering cable is of the “non-feedback” type? |
The way it was explained to me when I had it installed, with a non-feedback system, you eliminate the torque from the outboard, so if you let go of the steering wheel, the boat is still going straight, more or less. Without the non-feedback, the torque will cause the steering wheel to turn immediately, so you always have to keep your hands firmly on the steering wheel to keep the boat from turning.
For me, this was true and very obvious. Do you have to keep your hands firmly on the wheel to keep your boat from turning? |
Isn't the purpose of the trim tab on the lower unit to counteract the motor torque loads on the steering? On my boat you're supposed to adjust the tab until the steering forces (left and right) are the same. |
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Desert Dory
Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Posts: 180
City/Region: Tucson
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 1989
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Desert Dory
Photos: Desert Dory
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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My boat was very hard to turn, at speed, even with a new cable. I did some research and found my engine was mounted way too low on the transom.
Basically you want the anti-cavitation plate to be just out of the water at speed. Getting it splashed is ok, but out of the main flow.
I ended up raising the engine 2 mounting holes, which did lessen the steering effort at speed. I could actually stand to raise it one more hole. |
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Roamad
Joined: 20 Jul 2021
Posts: 103
City/Region: Sacramento
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1988
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
Vessel Name: Fika
Photos: Roamad
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| So, yesterday I greased the pivots on the transom mount and that seemed to help. I also experimented with trimming the motor up and that helped a bit too. So between the two, I’m going to monitor for a while and see how things go, then turn to the steering cable if I’m still having issues. Thanks everyone! |
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