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colbysmith



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donald Tyson wrote:
New to this term, AIS. Was sure I wanted it on any Loop adventure. Are you saying it is required on Powell?
Not really familiar with using it and wonder if most folk are just using it as a signaling device or if most use it to respond as well?
My Radio and Radar work well and so I was not in a hurry to upgrade anything just now in that area...


Hi Donald,
SSobal answered it well. But to add a bit to it. If you travel west of the Rockies, you can expect to stop at each state for an AIS inspection of your boat. Most of these are pretty straight forward as long as your boat looks clean. And many states, even east of the Rockies, require the bilge (and live well) drain plug be out when traveling with the boat on a trailer.
Now, back on the electronic AIS. It is not required on our C-Dory's in any body of water. For those of us that cruise amongst commercial larger vessels, it's nice to have the transmitter to let them know where we are at...assuming they are watching.... Most new VHF radios can receive AIS, and it's helpful in that case to see where the commercial (and other pleasure boats that have the transmitter) are at.

Jody, thanks for the reply. I have the water level link, but I"m specifically looking for what ramps are available on the west end of the lake, and what their slopes are. Also information on long term parking. I assume parking is no different than it is at Bullfrog or Halls. But I'm hoping the ramps are steeper than what Bullfrog's was. Colby
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colbysmith



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alainP wrote:
Colby, State Line Auxillary ramp worked great for me last Spring. Parking is past the inspection so more secure than the original upper parking lot near the road.
Regular Sate Line ramp was closed as it seems to still be.


Thanks Alain. That's good to hear! Colby
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jkidd



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you scroll down to the bottom of the water data page all of the ramp data is there and if you are able to use them for launching. I haven't seen the angle of the ramps posted any where in a long time it has been talk about on wayneswords.net but might have been on the old site wayneswords.com. The shallowest ramp that I launch on is Bay Bridge Yellowstone. Bullfrog flattens out at the bottom of the ramp and can be difficult. If you make a post over on Wayneswords.net there will plenty who will gladly give you current conditions. or you can come go with me to Flaming Gorge end of April first of May.

https://lakepowell.water-data.com/

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colbysmith



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkidd wrote:
If you scroll down to the bottom of the water data page all of the ramp data is there and if you are able to use them for launching. I haven't seen the angle of the ramps posted any where in a long time it has been talk about on wayneswords.net but might have been on the old site wayneswords.com. The shallowest ramp that I launch on is Bay Bridge Yellowstone. Bullfrog flattens out at the bottom of the ramp and can be difficult. If you make a post over on Wayneswords.net there will plenty who will gladly give you current conditions. or you can come go with me to Flaming Gorge end of April first of May.

https://lakepowell.water-data.com/


Thanks Jody. Actually I put a post out on Wayneswords yesterday. I launched at Bay Bridge a couple of years ago, at least if that's the one at the marina there. I don't remember that ramp being shallow at all. At least not like Bull Frog. This was in early September. I'd love to join you at Flaming Gorge, however I will be heading to the Friday Harbor gathering, and then cruising Puget Sound. Smile Colby
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colby was referring to AIS the electronic signal and it does work in Lake Powell as anywhere. It is just a radio transmission and reception system. Similar in frequency to the VHF radio on all boats which work fine at any elevations or locations, subject to basic radio wave physics. There is no mandatory requirement for AIS in the United States. There are several places in the World on crowded waterways where recreational and all commercial vessels over a certain size must have and use AIS.

Lake Powell is infected with the invasive species. Has been for over 10 years.

The state line aux would be your best bet--consider Antalope canyon marina also. They have a tractor to launch your boat if necessary. The regular state line and Wahweap are shallow angle ramps--I have not used the new State Line Aux, but it has the steel CB temporary runway mats at the very end, after the concrete. Looks like a bit of walk to parking?? As Colby knows the 25 requires deeper water than the 22, because of its waterline beam and having to ride a bit higher on the trailer (with a lot of caveats ref build of the specific trailer).

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bob. Actually depends on which post Donald was referring to, lol. I actually covered both the invasive species and the electronics in the thread….
The valet launching at Antelope requires payment. Lake Powell between Utah and the feds already got enough money from me! State Line Aux looks like the place to use for now. Thanks for that info on it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The valet launching at Antelope requires payment. Lake Powell between Utah and the feds already got enough money from me!
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The Antelope Point Marina is owned by "Antelope Point Marina LLC, which is owned by Jerry Moyes. Jerry Moyes was the former CEO of Swift Transportation--now retired. You $50 for in and out by valet services would go the Antelope Point Marina, not the US government. The marina employees individuals who live in Page Arizona or on the Navajo Reservation. There was some issues with Jerry Moyes owing the Navajo Nation about $8 million dollars in lease fees a short time ago--not sure what the status of all of that is currently. The National Park Service is only one of the entities who control and "own" the land around Lake Powell. Certain parts of the lake afront on Navajo Reservation land.

$50 is a fairly reasonable fee for launching there, all considered. I used the valet service when we took the C Dory 25 who had belonged to a C brat who had been medivaced to Flagstaff Medical center, and they were very efficient and helpful. If other ramps were possibly compromised, I would not hesitate to use the Antelope point Marina valet launch service for my boat.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Bob. Interesting info about Antelope Marina. Swift is based in Phoenix, and many years ago I actually applied to drive semi truck for them. Much of the land in Northern Arizona is Navajo, Hopi, or several other tribe's land. Always been a lot of conflicts over land ownership over the years.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I understand the two types of AiS now, I had now thought of Aquatic Species and had initially been only thinking of the transponder type of device.
Thanks Sobol, Bob and Colby.
I've visited Bear lake UT and Palasades res in ID and they both required inspections.
It was with grave disappointment that when I first visited Great Salt Lake that I found no boats on it. I guess over the years there were several attempts to drive interest but most find it too damaging and too stinky.
I love all the lakes mentioned an I guess I see their concerns to preserve them.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donald Tyson wrote:
Yes I understand the two types of AiS now, I had now thought of Aquatic Species and had initially been only thinking of the transponder type of device.
Thanks Sobol, Bob and Colby.
I've visited Bear lake UT and Palasades res in ID and they both required inspections.
It was with grave disappointment that when I first visited Great Salt Lake that I found no boats on it. I guess over the years there were several attempts to drive interest but most find it too damaging and too stinky.
I love all the lakes mentioned an I guess I see their concerns to preserve them.


Great Salt Lake I might be the only one.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although there are not a lot of motor boats (very corrosive very salty water), there is a fleet of racing sailboats-about 50 on an average year. There is a Yacht Club--the "World''s saltiest sailors".

The depth of the lake (and marina) depends on the snow pack and run off to keep the lake level up. There have been some years with very low levels.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a few years ago, up past the airport, where the causeway goes out onto Antelope Island one could walk all the way across where it had been 4-5 ' deep only a year before. Driving out 80 past the Marinas and Mines you would've had to hike quite a while until you got to the water. What's that smell, Hydrogen Sulphide?


JKidd, Did it clean up well? Do you do that often?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donald Tyson wrote:
a few years ago, up past the airport, where the causeway goes out onto Antelope Island one could walk all the way across where it had been 4-5 ' deep only a year before. Driving out 80 past the Marinas and Mines you would've had to hike quite a while until you got to the water. What's that smell, Hydrogen Sulphide?


JKidd, Did it clean up well? Do you do that often?




They have Tanks with fresh water in them that you can back your trailer and boat into and a hose to rinse everything off. I have only had the boat in one time. When you leave the marina you have to stay in the channel for 5 to 6 miles before it gets deep enough to go any where. It was never deeper than 20 feet where i was. Go slow, there are surprises that come out off nowhere. Wreaked Planes and sunken boats. When I was diving I had two friends that salvaged a sail boat out there. They had to wear 100Lb weight belts to stay down and used 5 gallon buckets to scoop all the sand out of it. Launch ramp is only about 20 miles from my house. The stink is just decaying critters that either come down the rivers or fall in and get stuck.
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