Where is everyone?

jimandlaurie · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:48 am Post subject:

El & Bill-Sounds like other than having to replace your engines,on the boat that is, you are having the usual great time!!
Mac-Don't worry I am way behind the "pros" here too.

Byrdman- way to go on your efforts down there..we are all thinking of you... One of the programs during the 30's was WPA-Works Progress Administration, I think it was called also one called the NRA I think, not National Rifle Assn., but something else...

From another Thread.. David.. " for Kate or her replacement"?

Sneaks · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:48 pm Post subject:

rogerbum · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:41 pm Post subject:

Don,

There's nothing wrong in my mind with being PC as the C stands for
"Correct". Your statment that
"More whites are poor than blacks or browns" is only marginally correct since there are more whites in the US than other races. However, the percentage of blacks or hispanics that are below the poverty line in the US is significantly higher than the percentage of whites. See http://www.plu.edu/~poverty/stats/home.html or MANY other sites on the web for some actual data. It's also worth noting that many of the gains from the late '90's (in terms of lowering the percentage below the poverty line) have since been lost after the recession in 2001. E.g. the current estimates are that about 12% of all US citizens are below the poverty line and non-whites are are still far more likely to be below the poverty line than whites.

Finally, it's also worth noting that many who are below the poverty line are "working poor". Minimum wage has gone down in real $'s for more than a decade, labor unions has lost more of their power, and more and more jobs are being sent overseas to lower paid workers. Hence, it's getting harder and harder for those without a college education to make a reasonable wage even with hard work.

As you may have figured out by now, I'm not willing to let blanket statements and assumptions that don't jibe with actual data, stand untouched. Eventually however, I do succumb to excessive noise of a similar type....and I anticipate that will happen soon on this thread too.

Roger on the SeaDNA

TyBoo · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Where is everyone?

Sneaks · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject:

Rock-C · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:

Sneaks / Rogerbum

Maybe you two could exchange email address and beat that hores to death. As for myself, I come to this web sight for "All C-Dorys, All the time" If I wanted to read or hear that tripe, I would pick up the local rag or turn on the evening news.
Remember the home page banner "No Rules - Just Be Nice"
Well, I might be breaking that one non-rule myself, if so, I'm sorry.

B~C · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject:

I just don't think it's appropriate to be talking of beating hores to death

Anita Marie · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject:

Of course, unless they are under the hood of a Ford Laughing

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Da Nag · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject:

Catman · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject:

Leave it to our resident Diesel Dude Bee~See to keep a close eye on our animal friends. I second the motion. There'll be no violence on this site.

You can beat out a bunt, beat me to the punch, or tap your feets to the beat while you eat your beets. But equine fury will not be tolerated.

B~C · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject:

OHHH it's equines..I thought it was something else

C-Otter · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject:

The work programs were CCC- Civilian Conservation Corp. The guys lived army style in the woods and did wonderful work building in state and national parks. You can still see the stone park buildings and bridges in northern Minnesota. When the 2nd world war broke out they all joined the army.

WPA- Works Progress Adm. Civilians put to work by the Goverment building roads,sewers,local parks and many other things. This was done in the 1930's and put bread on the table for many.

Nobody wants to work that hard today. Why work when the goverment will give you a handout?

Besides it's against your civil-rights to be asked to work.

Jack on C-Otter.

CTYankee · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject:

You guys are just too funny. PC or not, lets all just do something good tomorrow to correct the inequities. Like pray for those poor souls in Rita's path. "Just be nice"

Dun (CTYankee)

rogerbum · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject:

Sneaks - the data speak for themselves and you can look at it as total numbers or percentages - to each his own in that regard.

I am more concerned about the problem of poverty consistently chracterized as being due to handouts or laziness. Not everyone who is poor is lazy - and anyone who believes this to be true needs to get out more and mingle with poor people. It's simply not possible to support a family on minimal wage these days and many haven't had the educational opportunities or the surrounding culture and experience that would allow them to find other types of jobs.

Back when the gov't programs to which Patrick refers were put in place the US was recovering from the depression, people in the gov't actually beleived that gov't had a role in improviing people's lives and the country as a whole seemed to be more compassionate. Perhaps this was because the poverty level was high enough that most people had direct experience with it - through friends, neighbors or recent family history. People actually believed the gov't could do good and in fact, it did. Ditto for some of the progress made in the 60's due to Kennedy and Johnson.

Now, many of us are fat and happy and the compassion seems to be gone. Someday we'll come around and realize that poverty has no place in a civilized society AND we'll realize that the ONLY way to change things is through societal actions carried out by a well intentioned gov't. Someday, we might even look to what other civilized, rich western nations do AND maybe, just maybe, realize that perhaps the US can learn something from others. Look at stats from other western nations - we are near the bottom when it comes to % below the poverty line (in relation to industrialized nations).

I like Dun's advice - let's all do something good tomorrow to correct the inequities.

Roger

B~C · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject:

hot button- educational opportunities..there are more programs to enable the poor, underprivileged folk to get a higher education than you can shake a stick at. The only people that truly can't afford college are the middle class. We pay full bore for Jr Buckwheats schooling, if he would have dropped out of High School and lived on the street for a while he could have gone to college for free....I believe the only reason for a person to not get an education and a better position in life is motivation.
enough out of me..now back to my regulary scheduled smart ass remarks