New 22s heavier?

Rcbeach · Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:01 pm Post subject:

Sunbeam,

My all up weight was 4400 lbs. My trailer is a Majic Tilt tandem and is aluminum and weighs 660 lbs. When I weighed the rig it had no water, 1/2 tanks fuel and most of the equipment we use for cruising was removed. To come up with the 2850 lbs I weighed the remaining equipment, batteries, anchors, line, etc., looked up the weight of the engine, and estimated the weight of steering, trim tabs, electronics, electrical equipment, etc. and subtracted that from the 4400 lbs. I wanted to give the best estimate for the basic boat so one could then take my number and add the weight of how they wanted to equip their boat.

My trailer has a max load capacity of 4000 lbs (4660 GVW). So most of the time when I am towing now I am close to max trailer capacity. In the past I think I have exceeded the the trailer capacity. I am glad I weighted the rig.

I tow with a 2012 Toyota Highlander and have towed from Maryland to Florida and back twice. The Highlander tows the rig very well and travels at highway speeds without issue. If fact if I don't look in the rear view mirror I may forget I am towing the rig. However, most of the East Cost from Maryland to Florida is fairly flat. I expect if I was towing in a mountainous state I would want a bigger tow vehicle.

Dick

Sunbeam · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:59 am Post subject:

Thanks for the perspective, DaNag. I can imagine that surge brakes would not be desirable for heavier loads. I have them on my 22's trailer and while I'm fine with them on that, I do have to take care when starting into the downside of a pass -- and I don't think I'd want them on much more of a trailer load (and even on the 22 I can see where EOH would be a pleasant upgrade).

Dick,

Appreciate the additional info. I can see why you feel your trailer is a tad light at 4660# GVW. (I can also see how you have made it work for your particular towing use case.) I also have a Magic Tilt tandem, but it's galvanized steel and has a GVW of 5,200#. It has 13" wheels. They sold another model with the same frame and etc. as mine, but with 14" wheels, and it's rated higher, so I believe it's the tires that were the limiting factor in my trailer's rating (especially with the original/old type tires). I have C-rated trailer radials now and they are relatively close to their max rating although not over. I have now found a D-rated 13" radial trailer tire and I'll be switching to that next time I buy tires for a little more margin.

dbrown993 · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:27 am Post subject:

I would love to hear Marc at Wefings, where I am likely to buy my boat, weigh in (pun regretted...)

jkidd · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:59 am Post subject:

My trailer is an Easy Loader Galvanized with a GVW of 6000 lbs. 14" load range C tires combined weight of 7040 lbs.

colbysmith · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:56 am Post subject:

As Dick, I'm also towing with a Toyota Highlander, 2010 in my case. While it's tow rating is 5000 lbs, which I'm right up against, it has done a better than great job. (And I run straight electric brakes on the trailer.) Last year I towed the CD22 over 10,000 foot passes at 8% grade near Yellowstone. This summer we just came back from Lake Powell, with towing over the Rockies on I70. I did have some issues with the Transmission oil overheating last month on that trip, but only because of a damn semi that kept pulling out to pass other semis, right when I was about to go around him. After 3 times of that nonsense, being slowed to 40, then pushing to get my speed back up to 55, was just a little too much for the transmission oil cooler. Pulling over and sitting for a few minutes cooled it right down. (Too bad for the clown in the semi, the last time he pulled that crap, when I finally got around him is when my warning light came on, and of course I had to slow down till I could safely pull over. Lots of cars in the left lane passing by then, so I think it took him a while to get back over to the fast lane to piss others off. I've also driven semi in earlier years, so I know how that goes.....A little common courtesy goes both ways....) Speaking of semis and trailer weights, most tractors weigh in about 18,000 lbs, while the trailer can come in at close to 60,000 lbs. Of course they are set up for that kind of arrangement, but with the proper specs and maintenance, passenger vehicles are just as capable. Colby

T.R. Bauer · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:41 am Post subject:

I wish I had a better trailer......A lot of dealers rigged these boats with a 3500 pound single axle trailer which is really inadequate for the load being asked to carry. Of course, this was because the factory used to advertise a 3500 pound boat, which is very optimistic as everyone knows. I have a single axle trailer and was going through bearings and tires because of the load. It now has a 6000 pound axle under it and load range "E" tires to help. A tandem would be awesome, but I will probably never find one where I live. A lot of folks have the old single axle trailers and I guess its a miracle they have gone down the road pretty well (except for Bob's). How much does a nice new EZ Loader tandem cost now I wonder?

jennykatz · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:27 pm Post subject: 22 weight

We have had the (DUCK)1999 c-dory cruiser 22 with a 410 lb suzuki 90 hp and a 950 lb single axcel trailer the boat ,trailer and engine weighed in at 3800lb so if we deduct the 1500lb for trailer ,engine,and batteries we get 2300lb for boat this was with 1/2 gas 18gallon tanks and no water . I think the newer 05 and onward c-22's have a rear fiberglass floor also most brats put on a windlass and have lots of stuff for boat camping cruising .i know some of the brats that have 5000lb c-22's

My cc-23 weighs in at 5000-5200lb with a f115Yamaha (400lb) and a 1200lb alum trailer The boat was supposed to be 2900-3000lb which sounds right if you add the 1200lb trailer and 400lb engine and 3000lb boat you get 4600lb then add fuel ,water ,batteries windlass etc etc etc .my cc-23 could climb a lot higher.We usually use our boat for day trips very few overnight so our weight is a little light we pull the cc=23 witha Toyota Sequia v-8 6800lb tow rating .

colbysmith · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:20 pm Post subject:

A few years back I purchased a custom made bunk tandem axle trailer with pure electric brakes for my Searay 268 Sundancer. Painted metal. Think the price was right around $6000. For someone that does a lot of trailering, the price was worth it. Colby

G.W. · Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:45 pm Post subject: tow weight

I had a 2007 22ft. with one of the first glass interiors. With a 90 e-tec and a galvanized tandem axle trailer and empty tanks it hit the scale at 4160 lbs. the tow vehicle then was a 2011 ford ranger 4x4 which I also weighted at the same time was also 4160 lbs. The combination worked well together but I did prefer my F 150 supercrew for longer towing.
G.W.

thataway · Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:49 pm Post subject:

Sunbeam says:

Wefings · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:16 pm Post subject:

Well I just spotted this thread and to weigh in [another bad pun] on this discussion I would say many manufacturers have no idea what their product weighs in the trim it used with.
Yes the boats are alot heavier than catalog weight .
Many manufacturers that supply trailers dont tow and undersize their trailers to make more or save money .And they hitch up [the last bad pun , I promise] to trailers mfgs ratings that are made as minimal as possible. Pick one. A good example is a certain trailerable Tug Mfg. They cheaped out on their trailers until there were failures and then just barely made them adequate . I saw that coming and we added 20-30% more capacity for our custom aluminum trailers.
The weight information that owners have is the best . Real life numbers .Real experience.
You can get a heavy single axle trailer [6k axle], or a tandem for a 22 C Dory. I prefer tandem as there are twice the brakes and the ability to drive on 3 if you need to for safety. Way easier tire changes as well .
As far as tow vehicles go, 5k is kinda light for the towing you describe . It could work with electric over hydraulic brakes , but will put some wear on the vehicle if doing the hills . On the flats , it would be ok but for extensive towing , If I had a choice I would want at least 6500.
Marc

colbysmith · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:40 am Post subject:

While I tow my CD22 with a Highlander spec'd for 5000 lbs towing, I tend to agree with Marc. That being said, it can be done, but preventative maintenance and care in towing makes it work. I am aware of the extra stress put on my Highlander towing up against it's max towing weight. But I also change Transmission and axle fluids annually, and only tow at 55-60mph. I have simple all electric brakes on the trailer, and maintain those as well. Most of my towing around here is relatively flat. However, the last two years has also involved long distance towing over the Rockies and in higher temps (100+). If it weren't for gas guzzling (costs), or if I was towing all the time, I'd opt for a much larger vehicle. (Like the Ford Excursion that my Highlander replaced). But just as the C-Dory is some what of a very versatile boat, I have found the Highlander to be a very versatile vehicle. Smile

I suspect some of us have maxed out the capabilities of our C-Dorys too. Smile

Colby

dbrown993 · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:16 am Post subject:

While researching boats, one of the benefits cited for the C-Dory is the vast knowledge available on this site and the helpful and friendly people here willing to share their knowledge and experience with someone like myself. I really appreciate everyone taking their time to so carefully and thoroughly answer my questions.

I am pretty much stuck with my current tow vehicle I think, partly because I like it so much. At least I know that I need to keep heavy gear to a minimum and only carry what I really need. I also have some good information now regarding what to look for in the trailer I use to tow my boat, once I am fortunate enough to acquire one...

Most of my trips will be across fairly flat ground, the longest being a twelve hour trip to the Keys however. I do go to a lake on the NC/SC border that involves going over some fairly steep hills, but that trip is not a long one. Hopefully, I can keep everything light enough and have a good enough trailer to make it safely.

Thank all of you.

rogerbum · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:48 am Post subject:

I used to tow my 22 with an Isuzu Trooper. It did the job OK but I did wind up adding air springs to help support the rear end. You might want to do the same to your highlander. On the trooper, I had them installed by a shop. A couple of years ago, I installed a set on my Tundra. It was pretty easy to do.

colbysmith · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:28 pm Post subject:

Roger, I actually looked into adding "air" lifts to the highlander. But no such critter exists, at least not within a relatively reasonable price. I do have some other "helper" bushings in the coil springs that help somewhat. Still "squats" more than I would like. Some have mentioned weight distribution hitches, but I'm of the old school that says they really aren't made for boat trailers! Anyway, for now the squat is livable. I just don't tow much/far at night, knowing that my headlights are going to be aimed high in those times. Wink

Colby