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Stan Major
Joined: 20 Feb 2013
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City/Region: DeLand
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C-Dory Year: 2013
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
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 Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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In reference to Boris on Journey On. "Tail lights are proof of that". I have been using portable attachable/detachable tail lights for several years now. I found I was constantly replacing a tail light no matter what brand or style I used. The portables take a couple of minutes but they go back in the vehicle and are ready to put back on when the boat goes back on the trailer.
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Molly Brown
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
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City/Region: Punta Gorda
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C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 24 Tomcat
Vessel Name: MOLLY BROWN
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Now I understand. For some reason I thought the EOH involved something to do with a surge brake mechanism. I should mention that the one thing I do miss about my surge set up is that when hitching the trailer there was some play in the ball mount that could be used to get the trailer hooked up. I don't have that play with a solid tongue. Any ideas on a "for sure" back up tool to get the ball and tongue lined up perfect, every time?
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
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City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:35 am Post subject: |
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May be the main actuator piston is bad. Or the way it's built. If you think about the way it works, if there is nothing in the actuator to absorb the shock as the coupler is pulled forward, or the trailer and it's load is pushing on it, it's going to "clunk". Usually most noticeable when starting from a stop.
Also regarding tail lights. LED's that are sealed shouldn't have a problem getting dunked. |
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Sunbeam
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| colbysmith wrote: | | May be the main actuator piston is bad. Or the way it's built. If you think about the way it works, if there is nothing in the actuator to absorb the shock as the coupler is pulled forward, or the trailer and it's load is pushing on it, it's going to "clunk". |
Not sure if you are addressing me, about not having an annoying clunk (?). I'm pretty sure my actuator is working fine, as my brakes work great (if I purposely shut them off, the rig is very noticably hard to stop; with them engaged it stops as good or better when towing as when not towing). Also, this is the second actuator I've had that did not annoyingly clunk. I do note they both have something designed in (forget what it's called) to sort of muffle the shock. Another reason may be that I am relatively gentle when stopping and starting. At any rate, not complaining! I had some teething pains when the system was new (basically had to re-do everything the shop did wrong, which was almost everything), but now I love it. That doesn't mean everyone would though, and I'm sure E-O-H would be even better.
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colbysmith
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I was addressing those that said they wondered why the clunk.  Sounds like you have a good surge setup that works for you. I've just never cared much for surge braking for all the many reasons that have already been posted around. Pure all electric has worked well for me. I like the Electric over Hydraulic idea, but not the price. ;-( |
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Mike_J
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City/Region: Victoria, BC
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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I am now curious to know how well an electric only system would work on drum brakes. But I guess that I would still need to get the brakes switched as I currently have surge drum brakes
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journey on
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Let me repeat, colby-smith is in Wisconsin, which is 1500 miles from salt water. If he tried those electric brakes in salt water, he would be changing to some type of hydraulic brakes. Or have his boat sling launched, so the trailer didn't get dunked.
Wisconsin is a great place, but it has fresh water lakes and rivers.
British Columbia, or Baja California have salt water. I assume you're in one or the other
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Mike_J
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks Boris, I am definitely in a saltwater area. I think I will stick to my plan to convert my drum brakes to EOH from surge. |
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| No Boris. I would NOT be switching. The electric drum brakes use mostly the same materials as the regular hydraulic drum brakes. If one is running hydraulic drums in the salt water now, they should see no difference in running all electric (other than improved braking performance...) I'm not saying the Electric over Hydraulic isn't better. It does allow one to go to Disc brakes. But it is an expensive set up. Rather you have EOH, all electric, or hydraulic, regular drums and brake materials will all rust and corrode if you don't flush them. Would be interesting to find someone that is actually running all electric in salt, and see if they agree with my assessment. Colby |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006
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City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Dreamer wrote: | | Personally, I wouldn't touch that with the proverbial 10' pole. Just the mechanism of the brake actuator hidden away inside a drum brake scares me, knowing what salt water is capable of. |
Ditto, Roger. On my car hauler, sure. On the boat, nope.
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