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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1808 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: |
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I admit it, I like to work with steel and to weld. I had the same problem and I simply made an bracket that lowers the placement of the jack on the trailer - thus giving more usable lift. It was very simple to do. BTW, if I could figure out how to post a picture, I would show you my really cool cooler mount I made last weekend..... |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4673 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
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C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Same problem here Warren. I store the boat on a big piece of laminated beam; it's MUCH stonger than the jack. But I have to do the multi-step method in order to get it high enough. _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
Wife to her husband pointing @ us...from the bow of their 50-footer; Prideaux Haven 2013 |
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matt_unique
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1881 City/Region: Boston
State or Province: MA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Napoleon
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:02 am Post subject: Jack |
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While the trailer is still on the truck retract the jack all the way to it's lowest point, place some wood underneath, then crank it up. Does this not provide sufficient lift height?
This is what I do with Napoleon.
You could also do this process above after backing the truck onto some wood with the trailer still connected (thus elevating the whole thing) before you start cranking. You'll need to repeat this in order to set the trailer back down on your hitch but it's not too difficult.
Perhaps I'm missing something.... _________________ Captain Matt
Former owner of Napoleon (Tomcat) Hull #65 w/Counter Rotating Suzuki 150's. |
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Grumpy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1607 City/Region: Whidbey Is
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Warren,
I'm sure that Tom could find you a house with a level driveway
I have a similar problem in some situations as I use a weight distribution hitch which can be very difficult to disconnect if the truck and trailer are not at the same angle.
You might also consider that by tilting the boat you are loading the rear axle and tires which may not be a good thing for long term parking.
Merv _________________ 2006 CD-22 Kingfisher Sold Jan 08.
1987 Arima SeaChaser 17, Sea Star. Sold May 2010
2008 RF246 Kingfisher II Sold Apr 2013 |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4673 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
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Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I need to add a caveat; I used to have to raise the bow of the boat on the tailer so the cockpit would/could drain. My parking pad is level but even at full extension, the boat canted forward. The issue then became water pooling at the front of the cockpit and cit ould eventually leak into the cabin through the bottom of the door. In order to rectify this:
-I could raise the bow/trailer tongue
-I could move to someplace drier unrealistic
-I could park the boat under a roof. nope
-I could use the boat more I iwish
-I could buy a cover bingo
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Don and Brenda
Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 588 City/Region: Camano Island, Wa
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C-Dory Year: 2011
C-Dory Model: R-27 Tug
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I solved this problem with a bulldozer, 10 yards of gravel and a boat cover, i hope the expense was worth it, but then again I have not seen the boat since October. |
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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Lori Ann
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Jack |
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matt_unique wrote: | While the trailer is still on the truck retract the jack all the way to it's lowest point, place some wood underneath, then crank it up. Does this not provide sufficient lift height? |
Nope -- when the trailer is on the hitch ball of my GMC (and level), and I swing down the tongue jack, there is barely enough room to slip in one of those orange plastic tongue roller rests, and no room for wood. Part of the problem is that the trailer is on the slope and the truck is on the level, causing the hitch to be closer to the ground than if it were all on the level. It is not much, but it does make a difference.
Grumpy wrote: | You might also consider that by tilting the boat you are loading the rear axle and tires which may not be a good thing for long term parking. |
Thanks, Merv. Can anyone speak to this?
localboy wrote: | -I could buy a cover bingo |
I actually have a cover but have been spending a lot of time inside the boat working on various projects and have been too lazy to put the cover on. Perhaps it is time to stop being lazy! Thanks, Mark. BTW, speaking of covers, how much of an issue is it when it blows hard? I got the cover from the PO, who used it inside a big garage, so I haven't seen how it works in our climate.
Warren _________________ Doryman
M/V Lori Ann
TomCat 255, Hull #55, 150 Yamahas
Anacortes, WA
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matt_unique
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1881 City/Region: Boston
State or Province: MA
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Jack |
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Doryman wrote: | matt_unique wrote: | While the trailer is still on the truck retract the jack all the way to it's lowest point, place some wood underneath, then crank it up. Does this not provide sufficient lift height? |
Nope -- when the trailer is on the hitch ball of my GMC (and level), and I swing down the tongue jack, there is barely enough room to slip in one of those orange plastic tongue roller rests, and no room for wood. Part of the problem is that the trailer is on the slope and the truck is on the level, causing the hitch to be closer to the ground than if it were all on the level. It is not much, but it does make a difference.
Warren |
Hi Warren,
Would you be able to back your rear truck tires onto some wood to elevate the hitch off the ground allowing you to get more cribbing under the jack? |
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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Jack |
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matt_unique wrote: | Would you be able to back your rear truck tires onto some wood to elevate the hitch off the ground allowing you to get more cribbing under the jack? |
Yes, I could and that may well be the simplest solution. However, it means that I have to get the truck and trailer aligned from a distance before backing onto the wood. Dunno how much of a hassle that would be, but thanks for the idea.
Warren |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4673 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
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Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | how much of an issue is it when it blows hard? |
Warren, so far the cover has never been an issue, even in the stongest wind storm of the past winter. I cinch down the perimeter cord as tightly as possible, hold down the loops w/ "bungee" cords around the trailer and used two construction spring clamps each on the stern rail and bow rail; one on each side. Those just hold the cover taught, so the water doesn't pool, but runs off. Snow is a different manner. The weight stretches the material, but I just broom it off ASAP, and the clips help.
As far as the trailer, it sounds like an issue w/ the truck being too low. I'd look for the simplest solution. It may just be 2X8's under each wheel like suggested above. |
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Don and Brenda
Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 588 City/Region: Camano Island, Wa
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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My cover has worked great for 2 seasons now, the bow is pointed into the prevailing wind, stays nice and dry with no flapping. Before I added the gravel in the boat space, I too had the tires on 2x10 pressure treated lumber, worked great, then used one of those large 18x18 stepping stones from the hardware store under the front jack |
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DaveS
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 3204 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
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C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Jack |
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Doryman wrote: | However, it means that I have to get the truck and trailer aligned from a distance before backing onto the wood. Dunno how much of a hassle that would be, but thanks for the idea. Warren |
Warren, I don't quite follow how you have to "align from a distance". Just back up like you always do, then when you are within 2-3 feet of your trailer's final resting stop, place three or however many 2x8's that are nailed together in step fashion up next to the rear tires of your truck and then back up until your rear tire is stopped on top of the tallest board of your step tier.
Although, I don't have the same problems as some of you (since my boat and trailer are stored level in a completely enclosed shop), I do utilize "stair stepped 2X8's" which I back the rear tires of my truck on, in order to elevate the tongue of the trailer when I am washing the boat down before I put it in the shop. That way the wash/rinse water that gets in the cockpit readily flows out the boat plug hole. _________________ Dave S.
"Sea Shift"
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matt_unique
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1881 City/Region: Boston
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: Ditto |
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Just what I had in mind DaveS - the wood could be placed against or better yet 2' behind the rear tires to give you a little inertia to elevate the rear-end without spinning the tires or lugging the engine.
I do the same with Napoleon when necessary. |
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RProffer
Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Posts: 22 City/Region: Hollywood, MD
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I had a similar problem with a boat I had many years ago. I found the solution when the tongue broke. Come to find out, the boat was too far forward on the trailer. I moved the boat back about a foot on the trailer, and that solved a whole bunch of problems. Tongue weight was better, bumper higher off the ground, and the bilge was now draining, etc. _________________ Rick Proffer
Therapist II - 2010 R21-EC
Previous Boats:
25' Marathon - cruiser
17' Bayliner - bow rider
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Will-C
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:26 am Post subject: Raising trailer tongue higher than standard jack |
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Warren,
I would try to retract the jack you have all the way up while you are connected to the truck. Measure what that distance is from the bottom of the wheel of the jack to the ground. Build a wooden box out of 2 x 6's (4 x 4's in you have boo koo tongue weight)a foot square or 18" square to the height you require with a small area on top framed out the size of your trailer jack wheel so the wheel has to stay put. Back the truck in throw the box under your trailer jack wheel winder up. I built one our center console years back worked like a champ. It got me the extra height to drain the boat naturally. Maybe this would work for you.
D.D.
D.D. _________________ Chevrolet The Heart Beat Of America |
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