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CAVU
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No one enjoys salmon fishing more than I do. I have seen this same discussion a thousand times in one form or another. I have come to terms with the "Boldt Decision" many years ago. IMHO sport fishermen would be much better served if they worked toward getting the Indians involved in sportfishing rather than commercial. If the Indian's 50% of the resource were used for sport fishing, it would bring much more income to the tribes than commercial fishing. I would be just as willing to pay for a license to fish from their quota as I would to fish from the State's allocation, or fish from charters run by the tribes etc.
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Alyssa Jean
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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"""If the Indian's 50% of the resource were used for sport fishing, it would bring much more income to the tribes than commercial fishing."""
Fiinally in this thread here is an idea that makes sense. However, is there, or could there be, a coalition of NW Native American Tribes that could put together, and offer us non native americans a license to fish "their" quota. Heck, they have their casinos, why not sell their fish.
And I don't even fish.
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rogerbum
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Anna Leigh wrote: | """If the Indian's 50% of the resource were used for sport fishing, it would bring much more income to the tribes than commercial fishing."""
Fiinally in this thread here is an idea that makes sense. However, is there, or could there be, a coalition of NW Native American Tribes that could put together, and offer us non native americans a license to fish "their" quota. Heck, they have their casinos, why not sell their fish.
And I don't even fish. |
I think the idea is brilliant. They could make a lot more money by charging us to catch the fish and then selling us the fish we caught...As the sig says... my fish still cost about $250/lb...
Roger on the SeaDNA
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KenG
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: I for one am MIGHTY impressed! |
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| Honestly, I have been trolling various usenet groups since before 98% of most folks ever even laid hands on a computer (comes with being in the physical sciences) and I have rarely seen such a generally polite and gentlemanly discussion on what is potentially such a hot topic. Is this what boating does to/for you? If so, then to paraphrase Shrub (hah, got you there), "Bring it on!" |
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True Story
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I think CAVU Ken has got a great idea also. As long as I get to fish out of my own boat! I believe there is at least one river on the Olympic Penninsula I can purchase a tribal permit to fish for steelhead on reservation property.
I have also finally and painfully come to grips with the concept that fifty percent of the fish belong to the Tribes. Heck, even I will acknowledge there is unrefutable evidence indians were fishing with tree bark gill nets, fish weirs, boats (canoes), woven bark fishing lines, rock weights and such over two thousand years ago not to mention trading fish products to inland groups (commercial?).
I could stomach the concept of not catching fish in Sekiu this spring or in Puget sound this summer if I believed the majority of these fish were of the "Blackmouth" variety. These fish are a renewable resource provided the State and Feds keep up with the hatchery funding. However, I draw the line in the sands of complacency if you will, when considering thousands of these fish must have been wild or natives. Considering our significant environmental challenges at least some of these fish are not renewable.
I wouldn't want to predict how many of these fish were wild or belong to fish runs considered threatened or endangered however, I can predict we will find out soon enough when WDFW justifies signficant fishing regulations this April.
Can anyone recommend a good halibut rod holder system?
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TyBoo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: Re: I for one am MIGHTY impressed! |
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| KenG wrote: | | Honestly ... I have rarely seen such a generally polite and gentlemanly discussion on what is potentially such a hot topic. Is this what boating does to/for you? |
No sir. It is not the boat that turns people into good folks. We already are - all 808 of us (and growing). Don't let the C-Brat name throw you for a loop. These are the type of people who are drawn to the simplicity, utility and uniqueness of the C-Dory because it parallels their own pace of life. Some call us a cult, but I see us as a group of people with vastly disparate lives yet very similar lifestyles. A bunch of friends, you might say. And we like it like that.
As one of the moderators/administrators for this group, I take great pleasure in never having to edit any words posted on a very busy, and very public, forum. And I am especially grateful to see a comment such as yours. Thanks.
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TyBoo
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| I am also very grateful for the spell checker that Bill Da Nerd has provided. It isn't easy to spell "parallels". |
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wailedcentipede
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Sawdust .... i can relate bit to commercial fishing and expenses ... i run thru and snagged the end of the gilnet with a log tow, dragged it along till day break .... the gillnetter come dusk had cut loose and ran to the back end of his net to place a lantern on but broke down on the way ... i would suspect he ended up owing the cannery for another year (many years back between Port Simpson and Prince Rupert) .... wc |
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Sawdust
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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WC,
You are probably right. Gillnet guys ain't rich like all the rest of the Canadians 
Plan to do some sport fishing up your way this year while there are still a few left!
Dusty |
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rogerbum
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Just released by the WDFW
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The Washington state salmon co-managers - the western Washington treaty Indian tribes and the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) - establish salmon-fishing seasons using strict conservation guidelines that shift harvest away from weak stocks and onto healthy natural and hatchery origin stocks.
The seasons are set through an annual public process that includes federal participation and review to ensure rebuilding efforts of salmon stocks that are listed under the federal Endangered Species Act (ESA) are not jeopardized.
Fisheries co-managers establish preseason incidental harvest limits for Puget Sound stocks that are protected under the ESA. These limits are set at levels so that ongoing recovery efforts for these stocks are not compromised.
Some fisheries are managed under catch quotas, while others are managed as seasons. Fisheries that are managed by seasons include Puget Sound recreational fisheries and the Makah Tribe's winter troll chinook fishery, Oct. 1, 2004 through April 15, 2005. Fisheries co-managers anticipated a winter troll chinook catch of no larger than the average harvest during the past six seasons (1,600 fish).
Recently a higher-than-expected chinook catch in the winter treaty troll fishery of 19,559 fish was reported by tribal fisheries managers. A joint technical review of the impact of the Makah winter troll fishery, using the Fishery Regulatory Assessment Model, indicated that more than 94 percent of the fish harvested were hatchery origin or healthy natural stocks.
This review indicated that two ESA-protected stocks - Puyallup and mid-Hood Canal - had higher impacts than forecasted in the preseason plan. The additional impact to these stocks appears to be low - around 4 to 5 percent, which represents an estimated 109 chinook from the Puyallup River stock and five fish from the mid-Hood Canal stock.
The Makah Tribe has indicated it intends to close its winter troll fishery as part of its ongoing conservation efforts with chinook salmon.
The actual impacts of all fisheries, including ocean and Puget Sound seasons, are subject to a full postseason technical review.
Based on recent years' postseason reviews, actual chinook numbers often exceed the modeled preseason forecasts, giving co-managers some confidence that the final actual impacts to the listed stocks could fall within the co-managers' set limits.
It is too early to determine what adjustments - if any - will be made to future fisheries that impact chinook salmon.
"The department values the long and successful co-management relationship we have enjoyed with the Makah Tribe, and we will continue to move forward as co-managers with scientifically sound treaty and non-treaty fishing plans that meet our joint conservation goals." |
At least the fishing has been closed now... We'll see if there are any adjustments to the sport fishing seasons.
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Pat Anderson
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: Re: I for one am MIGHTY impressed! |
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Speak for yourself! Before I got this boat I was a churlish curmugeon! And look at me now...oh, wait, I still AM a churlish curmugeon, never mind!
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No sir. It is not the boat that turns people into good folks. |
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