EU1000 Versus EU2000

John S · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: EU1000 Versus EU2000

Hello, was looking for advice on which one to go with. I'm ready to order one for our Tomcat 24.
We boat in AK, so we don't need to power a high draw air conditioning unit. We don't have a fridge on board. We make multiday trips and don't want to have to run the Honda outboard just to charge the house batteries. We would like to keep the wallas running more often. Lights without worrying about batteries would be great. 120 Volt fan and maybe occasionally an electric heater, charge the computer, listen to the stereo, etc.

The EU2000 is heavier, larger, more expensive and would use more fuel.

My EU1000 concerns are, regret we don't have more power if we max it out.

Appreciate any input.

I just called www.wisesales.com who previously was listed in the forum as having great prices, they quoted:

EU1000 $639 free shipping 48 states, $59 shipping AK
EU2000 $869 free shipping 48 states, $79 shipping AK

Thanks,
John

Alyssa Jean · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject:

I have the 2000. I used it quite a bit on our R/T to Ketchikan. I have not used it with an electric heater. You won't be able to do anything else with it if you are running a heater. Most have two settings. One around the 750W area and one for 1500. My microwave uses 700W.

I always like to error on the positive side, so I would go with the 2000 if I were you.

Byrdman · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject:

About the weight differance of a bowling ball...

For all practical purpose,,, pretty much the same size...or, what will you do with the little bit of room differance.

Basically...twice the power... in basically the same space/weight...

Now... Look at why you are buying a generator. Are you buying it to have an opportunity to go out in the foul weather, turn the unit off, let it cool, refuel (and conditions are not always best for this goat-rope....dark, wet, cold).... or.... are you buying it to power things and raise the comfort level on your boat.

Look at the power/fuel burn times. Let's say you are only running one or two real small appliances.. and then look at the load you would be putting on each of the two gen sets... (same load is much higher rated load on the 1000 vs the 2000)....and then that other extra basically double fuel capacities.... and wow.... you'd be enjoying your generator and STUFF....instead of constantly adding fuel. Now, each time you move fuel around, you stand the chance of a spill... gas spills in/on/around boats are not good. Limit your fuel changes/re-loads, limit your exposure to fuel, limit your exposure to the possbile iced over decks...

Now... just how much money differance was it??? How much do you have in your vessel? OK... just for a test, go out and check your electrical meter 3 times tonight in your PJs... the next night... stay inside. Humm? Mr. Green

Stay warm and dry as often as possible... and just be honest with yourself... just how much would it be worth to you to not have to get out of the warm dry boat on a possible iced deck, find the fuel, funnels, pour, miss, cuss, pour some more, clean up, cuss some more, ... I can think of times when I would have given about $50 a trip just to stay inside... and that is in the south... In Alaska??? That $250 goes pretty fast in my comfot meter.

Sea Wolf · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject:

John-

I have the smaller EU 1000, but here in California, that's all that I need, as the electric heater runs on low setting (750 w). You may want the larger EU 2000 up in Alaska with your greater heater wattage requirements, however.

Our 700 w microwave is usually just run off the 700 watt inverter,since it's start up amperage is about 1.4 times the running amperage, and I can simply replace the battery draw later with either the main motor or the generator.

Also, I don't plan on adding air conditioning, which would require at least the EU 2000f or a larger generator.

Joe.

C-WEED · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject:

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=29&products_id=481

This link shows the yamaha 1000 can surge to 2700 watts for 3 seconds. That would kickstart a microwave and motors and loads that the Honda might not. The Honda won't surge as far as I know. Yamaha comes with the 12 volt cables, a smidge lighter and easier to service yourself than the honda due to newer case design. It might not run a ceramic heater on low. I have noticed that not all heaters on low are 1/2 of 1500 watts. I.E I have one heater that is 1300 watts on low but it is not the ceramic type. I think in time a ceramic heater on low can put out a fair amount of heat in the cabin. Especially at your feet where the Wallas won't. Or put the heater in the v-birth. again for heat where the wallas won't. I haven't found anyone with a 1000 watt gen that can report on the performance running a ceramic heater.

The 2000 will do it all. The 1000 might due it. Find a dealer and take a heater with you. Teeth

Alasgun · Guest

Bring any kind of water heater into the mix and it will need the greater output of the 2000.
Mike on Huda Thunkit

Sneaks · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject:

I have the EU2000, here in So Cal where heaters are rarely required. Nevertheless, I opted for the 2000 because power failures do happen around here and the little Honda will run my refrigerator/freezer, computer, and all the DSL equipment simultaneously so I can whine about how tough it is while keeping my beer cold. In other words, the 2000 does triple duty. On the boat if needed, next to the RV if needed and around the house just in case "The Big One" hits.

Don

smittypaddler · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject:

I have the EU1000, which I got on sale for $500 . I have a heavy-duty battery charger, a small microwave, a toaster oven, and a little US West electric heater. I have to be careful not to have two of them in use at the same time. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy with the EU1000. It's small enough to fit just in front of the porta-potty under the bunks, and with it running on the back deck and the cabin door closed, I hardly notice its sound. It seems a perfect fit for the CD22 cruiser.

Bob Cat · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject:

Boy, was I glad to have the eu2000 on 3-day trips to make hot water and to power my 1000w microwave. Having one around the house in "earthquake country" is also nice. I loaned mine to a friend during our summer heat wave black-outs, too. "Go with the 2"

Bob Cat

JamesTXSD · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject:

We have the EU2000. Like Mike, we find the water heater really pulls the watts; if you have a water heater on your TC24, you'll appreciate the 2000. We fire ours up, turn on the battery charger, coffee maker, and water heater. In less than a half hour, we're ready for showers and good to go. Muffins in the toaster oven. omlettes in the Grill Express. We may not be "keeping it simple", but we are comfy. Haven't needed the A/C yet, but the 2000 does a good job with our 1500w electric heater.

Best wishes,
Jim B.

thataway · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject:

I own the EU i 2000. Both (and also the Yahama) are alternator inverter units, so they drop to idle unless they need to produce more power. (a conventional generator continues at rated speed all of the time). Both the 1000 and 2000 put out 8 amps 12 volts DC and the cords are cheap, or you can make one.

How much power does your battery charger draw? Are you going to want to heat water or use a heater? Some battery chargers have a high power factor and thus require more AC power than you might think.

The lighter weight is a plus for the 1000. For a long trip, we carry a 6 gallon external fuel tank--and it will run the EU 2000 for several days. The EU 1000 can also be fitted with the external tank.

My personal feeling is to go with the 2000. You always have the power if you need it (microwave, water heater or full power electric heater).

Adeline · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:46 am Post subject:

Whichever way you go an extended tank is available. http://www.wisesales.com/DurationTanks.html

John S · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:10 am Post subject:

Wow, left the computer for a while and came back to all the comments. I figured there would be some opinions on this subject.

Some great arguments for getting the EU2000.

My biggest concern is the weight I keep adding to the boat.

I don't care much about the price.

My next purchase after the generator will be a BF2 outboard, more weight. Sad

I just wanted to hear enough to convince me to overcome my weight and storage space concerns.

Joe, do you sell your "fuel cap to the Racor filter connector" Laughing

I will be in the market for one soon.

John

oldgrowth · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:11 am Post subject:

I went with the 1000 watt Yamaha. It is lighter, quieter, and was less expensive than the Honda. My use for it is to keep the batteries charged when the engine is not running. We have a 12 Volt electric cooler and are able to use the cabin and deck lights without having to worry about dead batteries in the morning.

If we want to cook, we use a butane stove and heat with a Coleman catalytic heater.

I agree with most of the comments here. Unless you are absolutely sure you will not need more that 1000 watts, go with the larger generator.
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Dave

flagold · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:13 am Post subject:

I have a 1000 and 2000 Honda, I'd say go with the 2000 as well. The 1000 does fine for the mini microwave, 4 cup Mr. Coffee, 2 holer toaster, and charging the batteries up, but the 2000 will run a Fry Daddy, and a toaster oven. If I know specifically what I'm doing, I take the 1000, for extended trips camping on the road, etc., I take the 2000.