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flapbreaker
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: Outboard Oil - |
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I have a Honda90. Was wondering if it's recommended to buy the honda oil or has anyone had success finding the proper oil at the autoparts store. |
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CAVU
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Flapbreaker,
I just follow the owner's manual for my Hondas. It calls for 10W30 and gives the SAE grade, i.e. SH or SL, it changes every year. But if you follow the manual's recommendation you can't go wrong. I usually get my oil at Costco. _________________ Ken Trease
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flapbreaker
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info. I did read the manual but just wasn't sure if the EA rating was unusual enough that it would only be carried by dealers. Sounds like I'll make a trip to costco. Thanks. |
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Casey
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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We had a Honda 90 on a different boat for several years and now use a Suzuki 90 on the C-Dory.
Right or wrong I like to use Mobil 1 synthetic oil in both the Honda and Suzuki motors. Yea, it's a little more expensive, but if you do most of your own oil changes it balances out. I also find that the somewhat extended oil-change-interval makes me a little more at-ease if I don't get to change it right on schedule.
Likewise, there are some very good oil filters that are not the pricey Honda or Suzuki filters
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oldgrowth
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: Re: Outboard Oil - |
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flapbreaker wrote: | I have a Honda90. Was wondering if it's recommended to buy the honda oil or has anyone had success finding the proper oil at the autoparts store. |
By far the best oil you can use in your engine (any gas or diesel engine of any size) is Delo400. I do not claim to be an expert on many things, but engine oil is one thing I am. I have been using Delo400 for 34 years in over 50 different engines and have never had one wear out. I have gas engines with over 300,000 miles on them and still running strong. Delo400 made by Chevron is a little more expensive than most oils but well worth it. It is a high detergent oil and can be used in any gas or diesel engine.
If your engine is dirty inside (sludge buildup) do not use Delo400 because it will clean the engine and that sludge can cause problems when it is released in the engine. If your engine is fairly new then you should be OK using Delo400. Once you start using it, do not use any other oil in it ever again and if you have to add oil, only use Delo400. Do not mix oils. Replace your filter every time you change your oil. You do not need an expensive fancy filter. You do this and you probably will not wear your engine out.
I always add 50% to doubling the miles or time or the manufactures recommended engine oil changes. However, I wouldn’t recommend this for anyone else.
Delo400 is sold by most Costco stores as well as most automotive and marine stores. _________________ Dave 
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flapbreaker
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, oldgrowth. So as far as the filter goes, I suppose that's still a dealer item right? Not sure where I will find a non-fancy filter at the dealer though.  |
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stevej
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: |
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I get oil filters for my Yamaha from NAPA (Wix filters) for less than half the cost of the original and they have it on the shelf.
Just take in the original Honda number and they can cross reference.
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: |
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I cross-referenced my '03 Yamaha 80 filter at Kragen. I use Fram's highest quality equivalent to model PH6017A (Yamaha 3FV-13440-10). I change the filter with every oil change. Another equiv is 5GH-13440, don't know mfr. _________________ Steve & Carmen
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Napa was able to look up my Honda in a book and had the oil filter in stock. It was $7. Not sure what the dealer would charge.
I was going to buy some chevron Delo400 oil as oldgrowth suggested but they only stocked 10W-40, SAE30, SAE40. I'm no oil expert so since I didn't see any 10W-30 I didn't buy any. |
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oldgrowth
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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flapbreaker - Wix filters are some of the best filters made. They make filters for NAPA and NAPA re-brands them as their own filters.
You can substitutes DELO400 10W-40 for 10W-30. In fact, I prefer 10W-40. 10W-40 lubricates better at higher engine temperatures than 10W-30 and does just as good as the 10W30 at low temperatures. In an outboard up here, I doubt you would need the 10W-40 but I have some heavy-duty engines operating at high temperatures and I don’t want to have to stock several viscosities of oil. As I say, I use it in everything.
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flapbreaker
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Oldgrowth, sorry to be a pain but I was wrong about the grade avialable. I said I could get 10w-40 but it's 15W-40. Any problem with running that grade? |
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oldgrowth
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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flapbreaker - No problem at all. The numbers represents the lubricating ability of the oil. 15 - it lubricates as a 15 weight oil when it is cold. 40 - it lubricates like a 40 weight oil when it is hot. You would never need oil lighter than 15 weight, unless your were in really cold conditions, but then the water would be ice.
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: Oil |
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I am suprized that so many would chance not having the very best oil. The oil sold by Honda must be the best for their enguines or they would not put their name on it. This goes for any other maker of outboards I am sure.
The small difference in price just does not seem to justify the chance that you do not have the best for your outboard.
Fred and Pat Messerly _________________ Pat & Fred Messerly |
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Chester
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: |
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I don't know anything about oil for outboards but here goes...
On motorcycle forums "the best" oil is a source of contention & lively discussion. One thing that has become apparent from my studies is that oil branded by the motor company is quite good but you tend to pay for the name. There are comparable oils for somewhat less money or superior synthetics for a lot more money.
There is a whole lotta hype involved in marketing oils. Many brands that claim to be full synthetic aren't, thanks to a court decision. Mobile 1 and Amsoil are two true synthetics that rate highly in objective tests.
Somewhere you have to factor in the bang for the buck, is $6 a quart worth it?
FWIW I run Amsoil in my modified Harley. |
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oldgrowth
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:50 am Post subject: |
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teflonmom wrote: | I am suprized that so many would chance not having the very best oil. The oil sold by Honda must be the best for their enguines or they would not put their name on it. This goes for any other maker of outboards I am sure.
The small difference in price just does not seem to justify the chance that you do not have the best for your outboard.
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Honda does not make a motor oil. The same goes for the other outboard makers. They all buy from the oil companies and not necessarily always from the same company. I will agree most name brand oils are good and will work in your outboard engine. But if you want the best it has to be Chevron DELO400.
If anyone decides to use it, read my first post on this thread.
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