trim tabs without indicators

flapbreaker · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: trim tabs without indicators

So I'm having trouble using my trim tabs. There is no indicator as to what position they are in or how fast they move. Anyone else find this to be true? Can I add on indicators or would I need to replace the switches that have indicators built in?

One more thing I think my trim tabs are wired backwards. If I toggle the right button the port side tabe moves and vice versa. I thought it would be easy to switch the wires. MOst switches just have a positive and negative but when I looked there were more wires than I knew what to do with.

Sneaks · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject:

Your trim tabs are wired correctly. Counterintuitive, but correct. You can add indicators but that can be a tad spendy for what you get. It gets easy with practice and 1/2 second "blips". My old Sea Ray was a real pain to get trimmed correctly. The C-Dory is far easier.

Don

MOOSE · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject:

I added indicators after the fact and it wasn't that difficult to do.

The way your toggle switches are wired is correct, according to the manual. The intent is that you depress the right-hand toggle to put the starboard side of the bow down (and this is done by activating the port tab). I, however, couldn't get used to this and switched my wiring around the other way. In other words, my mind knows that depressing the port tab will affect the starboard bow and my preference is to have the left-hand toggle activate the port tab. If I still have my wiring diagram, I'll let you know which wires you have to switch.

Al

True Story · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject:

I think your wired right. It's a little counter-intuitive but trust your controls. In respect to indicators, I'm doing OK without them and wouldn't spend the bucks to change up.

I'll try to describe what I do and maybe it will help you figure out your tabs.

Generally speaking, you want your main engine to remain relatively level using your tabs to adjust for conditions. The optimum position for my main is about 10 degrees down. Find this position for your own boat and always start with the main in this position. Secondly, I start the day out with the tabs fully retracted or bow up. I then extend both tabs (bow down) for a count of six. This usually gets my boat in a pretty good shape and I then adjust for lateral trim counting as I go. If you get out of shape, start over.

It won't take long before your a pro and really appreciating the benefits of your expenditure. Tim

C-Hawk · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject:

When I installed my trim tabs, I also installed the auto control. I don't have the gages- thought about getting them. But I love the way the auto control works. I put the boat on plane and played with the tabs till I was happy with the way the boat ran, then set the auto control. Now all I do when I get on plane is turn the auto control on and it takes it from there. When ever some one move around it will adjust to the new load- after 5 seconds. It has a 5 second delay to keep from continually adjusting while people are moving around. The only time I touch the switches is after I turn the unit off, then I use the switches to bring the tabs all the way up, hhmmm maybe I should get the auto return feature also.

flapbreaker · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject:

Hm. I thought for sure they were wired wrong. Let me wrap my brain around this. If the boat is listing starboard and I want to level it I reach for the port side switch. Seems backwards to me but I'll have to adjust. Thanks for the reply's.

MOOSE · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject:

If you're not going to change the wiring, which really is pretty simple, just think of it this way: "if you want the port bow down, activate the portside toggle; and vice versa."

Adeline · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:

I read recently that Bennet sending units will be NMEA 2000 compatible. Trim tab position can be fed to the new generation displays such as the Lowrance LCX series. A dedicated gauge will be unnecessary. Same is true for fuel level, fuel flow and more.

Adeline · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:

Here we go http://www.panbo.com/yae/archives/001085.html

New Hampshire Guy · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject:

The trim tabs can be confusing, especially if you've seen different styles. You just need to understand what they are telling you.
On the 2005 22' Cruiser C-Dorys for instance (Electric Lenco's), if you trim -say- the left bow down, you would push the left button and the left side indicator lights would illuminate incrementally. If you glanced down you would understand that you had activated the left(port) side down. It SHOWS YOU WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.
On the 2006 25' Cruiser however, different system (hydraulic Bennet's).
When you toggle the left button, the RIGHT side lights illuminate incrementally. That is because- in fact- you are NOT actually making the left bow go down at all. When you ask the left bow to go down the right trim tab activates down ( like a flap on an airplane) and it LIFTS the right (opposite) side. So on THIS system, when you ACTIVATE left down, the system assumes you've rec'd your PhD in aerodynamics and SHOWS you that the right tab is lower in the water. This system SHOWS YOU WHAT IS HAPPENING.
Some people like seeing which tab is lower, and some want to see that they've activated a certain side. If you've seen one, the opposite is tough to grasp. Trust me on this one.
I understand both, but the newer (to me) system that indicates what is happening sometimes causes a mild headache behind my left eye as I remember which boat system I'm on and I do math on a mental chalkboard.
Hope this was of some help. It helps me...FROM TIME-TO-TIME!
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flapbreaker · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject:

Thanks new guy and others. I think I'm finally rapping my brain around the concept. Thumbs Up

DodgeRam · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject:

Roger , would you install they auto control again ? I have the trim tabs gauges and use them , will be adding they auto this fall , have a big chocolate lab that never stop moving around. Gary SEARAM

Rabidfish · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject:

Think of it in these terms:

The switch is labeled "bow" "up" & "down"
You are actually controlling the bow, and not the tabs...

I have always found it easier to work that way.

C-Hawk · Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:

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I know what ya mean! I thought the arrangement was weird at first too… then I adjusted the wiring in my brain to the natural logical function of them in stock form, and can’t imagine it any other way.
Remember: the position is irrelevant, till you get over trolling speeds. I think them indicators were developed for use at a stop, or trolling speeds. There is no doubt which position they are in, the faster you go!