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Jim Rose
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 4 City/Region: Vancouver Island
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Shrek
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject: Yamaha, 4 stroke motors |
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Getting close to decision time for a 22 ft CD. What motor, 75 or 90hp? ( with, lets say, 4 adults on board and fuel) All views gratfully recieved but please be nice - I'm new. Jim |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
Photos: Captain's Cat
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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HONDA
PROBABLY A 90 IF YOU WANNA GO FAST... _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
Captain's Kitten (1995 CD 16 Angler- Sold June 2010)
Captain's Choice (1994 CD 22 Cruiser- Sold Jun 2007)
Potomac River/Chesapeake Bay
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Sneaks
Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 2020 City/Region: San Diego (Encinitas)
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: C-Brat
Photos: Jenny B and C-Brat
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Captains Choice wrote: | HONDA
PROBABLY A 90 IF YOU WANNA GO FAST... |
I'll put my 75 hp EFI Yamaha up against Charlie's 90 any day of the week. 75 hp is what the 22 was designed around and it's more than enough for me.
Go fast and C-Dory?  _________________ Mary & Don Anderson
Brat #483
"Jenny B" 2005 C-22/F75 sold, Oct. 2008
"C-Brat" 1993 C-16 angler/50 hp |
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C-WEED
Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 338 City/Region: New Brockton
State or Province: AL
C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Weed
Photos: C-WEED
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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I am unhappy with my boats power. I would like it to run when heavily loaded like it does when it is empty. SOOoooo....Get a 90 H.P. EFI. You can get 75 H.P. from a 90 H.P. engine at a lower RPM without having to run wide open. With the 75 your only getting about 60 H.P. at cruise.
Usually more economical and less wear/strain on the more powerful engine running lower rpm's. If you need the extra power, with the 90 it is available. The 75 is usually a detuned 90 so the engine/weight is the same. That puts you at a disadvantage just in the engine. Less power with the 75 VS. 90 only moving the same engine weight. Yea the CD was originally made for a 2 stroke 75. But a four stroke 75 usually weighs about 100 pounds more. So it takes more power just to move the extra weight of the 4 stroke engine. Now add the boat weight and all the gear that a CD can carry and performance only goes on down.
My boat came with an 80 H.P. which is a detuned 100 H.P. I carry lots of camping stuff. When the boat gets moving good and smooth it's close to the upper limit in RPM's. No engine is economical at full power. Not a day goes by that I don't wish it had at least 100 H.P. engine. (It does it just puts out 80 H.P.) A 115 would be about perfect. Nothing worse than an underpowered boat.
If you only cruise with a few people and keep the boat light a 75 may be ok. But if your not satisfied it is a costly upgrade. Resale is generally better and easier with the largest recommended horsepower engine. You may want to ski, have kids or grandkids that would like to be towed on some water toys. I know the CD isn't the best ski boat but with a little H.P. and smooth water you can just have more fun. Makes the boat that much more versatile.
Check out the Evenrude E-TEC for 2 stroke lightweight cutting edge technology and 90 H.P. The best of both worlds. Made in America, too.  _________________ Chris |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
Photos: Captain's Cat
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Sneaks wrote: |
I'll put my 75 hp EFI Yamaha up against Charlie's 90 any day of the week. 75 hp is what the 22 was designed around and it's more than enough for me.
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Just commenting on his choices, 75/90. I don't have a 90, but I gots the equivalent in my two 45's!
charlie |
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Sneaks
Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 2020 City/Region: San Diego (Encinitas)
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: C-Brat
Photos: Jenny B and C-Brat
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Captains Choice wrote: | Just commenting on his choices, 75/90. I don't have a 90, but I gots the equivalent in my two 45's!
charlie |
OK, that make it even better, Charlie. I'll match ya on the water and towing up a 6% grade.
Eventually we hope to get out there. Just don't trade the Dodge before then....
Don |
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Captains Choice wrote: | HONDA
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"HONDA" |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
Photos: Captain's Cat
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon out Don. Not sure what you tow with but my Dodge has a 488CI V-10 in it. That sucker will pass anything but a gas station
And that's not good with gas here at $3.10 a gallon. At least it burns regular.
You guys got some rough water if it has a 6% grade in it...Must be a left coast thing.
As for Red Fox.... I think he's just jealous... I dearly love his pictures though, they are great!!
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
Photos: Captain's Cat
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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In reviewing Tyboo Mike's poll on outboard choices earlier this year...
Evinrude 9% [ 13 ]
Honda 52% [ 72 ]
Johnson 5% [ 7 ]
Mercury 2% [ 4 ]
Suzuki 9% [ 13 ]
Yamaha 19% [ 26 ]
Other 0% [ 1 ] BTW, what else is there? Tohatsubishi?
Total Votes : 136
And, if I recall, 26 of 30 boats at the Eastern Shore Gathering had Honda power, there must be a reason, something besides good press? I'd still buy a Yammi if the deal was good though, as I said in an earlier post, the real key isn't the decal on the hood, it's whether it starts when you turn the key, it gets you out and back and it doesn't cost too much to maintain... Each to his/her own! I do like those EFI engines, mine look too much like the motorcycle engine on my son-in-law's HOG.
Still like the Fox's pix!
Charlie |
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Sneaks
Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 2020 City/Region: San Diego (Encinitas)
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: C-Brat
Photos: Jenny B and C-Brat
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Captains Choice wrote: | C'mon out Don. Not sure what you tow with but my Dodge has a 488CI V-10 in it. That sucker will pass anything but a gas station
charlie |
Been there, owned one 'a those beasts, Charlie. Great engine though nobody but Dodge will overhaul them and even Dodge just puts a crate engine in when they get long in the tooth. And you're right. Flinging almost $100 at a gas pump makes anybody cringe.
I tow with a Chevy Duramax/Allison fitted with an Edge Juice/Attitude module. Trust me, you'll lose in a towing match. Juice Level 3 is perfect for towing a C-22. 300 hp and 600 ft. lbs. of torque while still giving 11 mpg while towing! Even Red Fox would be happy with it. Especially if the C-22 had a Yamaha 150 on the stern and racing stripes on the trailer....
You have to go many miles to find a long 6% grade out there, but if you like, I bet you could talk Tyboo Mike into representing you. Arrr Arrrr Arrrr as Tim the Tool man would say. |
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DodgeRam
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 199 City/Region: Vancouver Isl. CANADA
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SeaRam
Photos: SeaRam
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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You guys asked for it .My truck is a Cummins , never needed juice box. A real mans truck has 6spd, packs 4000pds sliding camper + pulls the C-Dory all of that on about 12.5 to 13 mpg. Not bad for big 6 real block diesel. If I would want to go real fast I would buy my self a HEMI. Juice Boxes are made so the Cheby & Ferby can beat those small 6 block DODGE up 6% grade, without those set on 3 or 4 or,,, you would not beat a loaded Dodge up those big hills. Gary SEA RAM |
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Best answer so far: Chris/C-Weed. Well stated. I'm extremely happy with my 2005 Yamaha 90 EFI engine. Runs just like a new car. Totally renewed the boat, performance-wise. Glad I bought the 90 for the reasons Chris stated.
The rumor is that Honda will add EFI and redesign the accessory systems and lighten the overall engine for either 2006 or 2007 for their 75 and 90.
We'll know real soon if it's 2006, because the boat shows are about to start. Wouldn't want to buy a new engine the year before it was finally updated.
If you don't want to wait on Honda, just buy the Yamaha, they have today what Honda wants for tomorrow. Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
 
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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Seeker
Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 79
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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On the way back to Louisiana from Seattle, after we picked up our c-22, we got a solid 14 - 15 mpg the whole way. The only time I had to down shift to 5th gear was climbing a pass east bound between Washington state and Idaho. The truck only had our gear (equivalent in weight of one person), and the two of us in it. The boat was full of fuel and water.
My truck is a 2002 Dodge Ram 1 ton dually with a 6 speed with 78,000 on it.
I run all synthetic lubricants, and only burned 1/2 qt of oil round trip.
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catdogcat
Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 175 City/Region: Soldotna
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1988
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Plankton
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I have a 75f and can't be happier with it. In my opinion it has more than enough power. I use it for water skiing, fishing, and have hauled lots of people and camping gear. Always gets up on step in a heartbeat. I saved 1000.00 over the 90f and have no regrets. Make sure you get the right prop. |
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flagold
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 951 City/Region: Abbeville
State or Province: AL
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Dawg-E
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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90 -- starts, stops, and does it when you want it to . . . |
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