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C-Bill
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 208 City/Region: Carson City
State or Province: NV
C-Dory Year: 1991
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: CharkBait
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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I think we've covered the subject! And, the reason I decided to post those internet sites into this subject thread is because it is relevant to "Balsa Core Construction."
Thanks Guys! Hopefully, we've drawn attention to the very spine of each and every C-Dory out there!
Cheers,
Bill
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DaveS
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 3204 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Shift
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Sea Wolf wrote: |
This brings up another point, which is that we recycle through many of the same issues here on this site as new owners/members come on board. Often the whole issue has been discussed two, three, or more times. |
Hi Joe...I agree 100% with you......that being said.........What do you think about a single engine vs. twin engines?
..............JUST JOKING!......... ..couldn't resist. _________________ Dave S.
"Sea Shift"
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | What do you think about a single engine vs. twin engines?
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Darn Dave, don't get them going again! Has anyone tried three? _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
Captain's Kitten (1995 CD 16 Angler- Sold June 2010)
Captain's Choice (1994 CD 22 Cruiser- Sold Jun 2007)
Potomac River/Chesapeake Bay
K4KBA |
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wilbe asea
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 51 City/Region: Kenai
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sunset Ride
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:32 am Post subject: |
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I've not seen more than two on a C-Dory, but I did see an advertisement in Western Boating for a 36 footer sporting triple 225 hp Hondas. 665 hp on the transom, capable of 68 knots, where will this insanity end, quads, quints? 300 hp outboards, nitro burning, get me to the fishing hole first, but I digress. |
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WadeV
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 105 City/Region: Southern Pines
State or Province: NC
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Why Knot
Photos: Why Knot
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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The US Customs has a boat in the Puget Sound with 4 225hp motors strapped to it---WOW _________________ We are land lubbers now enjoying NC.
Wade, Loius, & Bunky |
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C-Bill
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 208 City/Region: Carson City
State or Province: NV
C-Dory Year: 1991
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: CharkBait
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject: Back to Balsa Core Construction! |
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Da Nag & Sea Wolf...
I have reread some of this Marine Surveyor's material, based on your stated concerns, and I can see what you're talking about. C-Dory has went to great lengths to provide a quality product. That is exactly why I purchased my C-Dory and I was fully aware of the Baltec construction.
This surveyor does appear to overstate his concerns with boat manufacturers who build core bottom boats. I absolutely don't agree with his general consensus towards this type of construction.
Mass production of these boats and poor quality controls are a major factor in the resulting black mark against this type of construction. At the consumer level, the boat owner must realize his responsibility to protect this core from water seepage to enjoy the boats performance for many years.
It was never my intention to spread panic!
Bill
PS - I don't think I have rehashed an item previously discussed. I did not ask a dumb question about core construction. I only posted 4 web sites from a marine surveyors experience. Where does multiple engines enter into this topic? |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Multiple engines didn't until Sea Shift brought it up. Wouldn't be the first time we got off topic, was only for a microsecond tho!!
Remember the spoof article a few years back about sheathing fiberglass boats in wood to prevent the glass borers? It was in one of the boating mags, probably WoodenBoat! |
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DaveS
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 3204 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Shift
Photos: Sea Shift
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Back to Balsa Core Construction! |
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C-Bill wrote: |
PS - I don't think I have rehashed an item previously discussed. I did not ask a dumb question about core construction. I only posted 4 web sites from a marine surveyors experience. Where does multiple engines enter into this topic? |
Hi Bill,
It is certainly great to have you "on board" the site with us! Welcome!
Anytime we discuss an item we've previously discussed, it seems that someone is ALWAYS able to shed a new bit of valuable information on the subject.....so certainly no question in my mind is a "dumb question" and I always seem to gain additional knowledge when others join in on the discussion that perhaps were not involved in previous discussions of the same subject. I merely posted the comment about engines, (as a joke) because that is an example of a subject we have discussed numerous times. The last time "twin vs. single engines" came up for discussion, someone contributed some thoughts that had never been mentioned before. So, I again gained some thoughtful insight from another C-Dory owner.
The contributions of everyone that posts on the site has made me enjoy my C-Dory more than I ever expected from ownership of a boat.
Great Boats - Great Boat Owners! |
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C-Bill
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 208 City/Region: Carson City
State or Province: NV
C-Dory Year: 1991
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: CharkBait
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Dave,
Just trying to get the monkey off my back today (you're right there are no dumb questions!). C-Dories are very good boats and I'm proud to have had mine since late 1990. It has been an excellent boat for me. My boat is currently in the shop at Kent, WA for some upgrades. It's going to see some duty along the No. Cal & Oregon coastlines. It really is a kick to encounter other Dory owners along the way.
Bill |
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DaveS
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 3204 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Shift
Photos: Sea Shift
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Bill,
You should join us at the Lopez Island Gathering 4/30 - 5/2, seeing as how your vessel is already up this way at the factory. |
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ffheap
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 733 City/Region: Hingham
State or Province: MA
C-Dory Year: 1983
C-Dory Model: 22 Angler
Vessel Name: Inn-The-Water
Photos: Inn-The-Water
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Hi Folks,
I just completed a rebuild of the stern of my 1983 22' C-Dory. When I purchased the boat, I knew that there was a problem. I drilled four holes on the top of the transom and poured Epowy in to the holes. One hole took four plus "pours". It did the job, stiffining up the transom. When I re-engined to a 75HP 4 stroke Yamaha, I had the transom rebuilt, from the inside out. The outside transom was not touched. The core was a mess.
I have come to a conclusion that if you have anybody put screws into your boat, especially a mechanic, pull the screws and make sure they were well caulked. I have found that many do not care. A small example was that when they put a new dual battery switch on the boat, they screwed it in. The screw points were exposed inside the locker and could have caused damage to equiptment. I replaced with nuts and bolts. It may seem a small issue, but my opinion of the dealer went into the gutter. It will cost them money from me in the future. I will bring it up, but I do not think they care or understand.
Just a "food for thought."
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C-Bill
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 208 City/Region: Carson City
State or Province: NV
C-Dory Year: 1991
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: CharkBait
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Dave,
Maybe another time. I really like the Washington area. My son was stationed at Bremerton, on sub duty. I've heard stories of private boats being towed in the Strait of Juan De Fuca and not by big fish!
While my boat is being worked on in Kent WA, my Yamaha 90 is getting serviced in Sacramento. The boat hasn't been gone 2 weeks yet and I find myself getting up to go outside to work on the boat, then I realize it's not there! I hope to have the boat home before 4/30.
Thanks Again,
Man-From-Nantucket
I've heard that more often than I care to recall. I have my fingers crossed right now because a dealer in the Reno area mounted a trolling motor bracket and didn't seal the bolt holes properly.
Bill |
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Butch
Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 180 City/Region: Rising Sun
State or Province: MD
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject: Balsa Core? |
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Guys and gals, I live less than 20 miles from where Trojan Yachts were built. They used Balsa cores. In the latter stages of the company before they went under, the biggest thing that literally took them down was the stability of their hulls and superstructure. Bottom line all, the through the hull fittings leaked past the gel coat to a less than perfect protected balsa core. That's how Trojan fell from grace. There are still a lot of Trojans out their on the water, however, you can bet the owner corrected the faults in the through the hull construction. But by and large Trojan go a bad name in the mid-class boating industry for resales. The resale prices confirm it. Butch _________________ As Bartles and James said, "Thank you for your fine support!" |
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Butch and all Hard Core Balsa Core Fans-
I think what this story points out is that there are great quality differences in balsa core construction.
Even if a screw hole or through hull fitting is not properly completely sealed, the damage should be only to those specific balsa squares cut into by the attached hardware. Around windows, hatches, and windlasses the damage will be the greatest because of the number of cells (squares) affected.
This is to be expected if the squares are properly wetted in the lay-up process which will put solid resin around each square on all four sides as well as top and bottom. Water cannot communicate between cells and damage adjacent cells that are not themselves cut into. Certainly a few bad screw holes do not make for an entire ruined hull or deck.
If, however, the lay-up is shoddy, e.g., does not isolate cells with dense, solid resin, the water then can move to adjacent cells, and the spreading of the damage continues from cell to cell as long as more water is available to continue the process.
Take a balsa cored boat of this grossly inferior lay-up process, add a few poorly installed and sealed hardware components, moor it in water in a warm (fungus loving) climate, and add a neglectful owner, and you get David Pascoe's classic totally ruined boat that can't pass the surveyors's inspection. Little wonder he dislikes cored construction in general.
We, on the other hand, know we have a quality laid-up hull of the very best components. We know how to correctly install hardware in it while sealing the core. We know enough to check for continued hull soundness. And, if necessary, we know how to then to correct any developing problems.
Another reason to be glad you're a C-Dory Fan! Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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Butch
Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 180 City/Region: Rising Sun
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:00 am Post subject: balsa core |
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Sea Wolf I could have not said it better! I have several good friends that are boat surveyors transplanted from the NW and upper CA coast and they all say the Dory is a fabulously constructed boat when it comes to hulls, topside, and transom lay-up. A couple told me stories of Dory's that were not properly taken care of that were not sea worthy but by no fault of the initial construction. They pointed to through the hull fittings installed with only silicon on the outside of the hull, and shoddy hull repairs after minor bumps with hard bottoms and submerged objects.
Some people say i am nuts for the time I spend tending to the boat I have now, but when I put it in the slip in the each spring it looks and runs as good when I bought it in 97 and we use it all the time for the next 9 months.
This balsa core thread is good as it brings out numerous issues for just about any glassed boat. Later all! Butch |
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