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cdoryfan
Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 19 City/Region: New England
State or Province: RI
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting discussion. Regarding the weight my boat has all chain and a windless (and I increased the anchor size to a 14lbs) so maybe this will improve balance.
Dropped off the boat today for the repower so we'll see how it goes! The dealer was really excited to look at the c-dory, they are pretty rare in New England.
The only thing is I have one more week to change engine order as they de-rig current engine and the 140 is only marginally more money. I know it's not necessary but as it's the same engine block, a part of me is intrigued. We shall see however! |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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I understand the idea of 30 more HP for a few hundred dollars. But I would advise against it. You get that higher HP at the top end of RPM's, The 115 will take the boat right up to its stability max speed. The boats do not run as well over 30 mph. It depends of the trim and conditions.
One of the eastern dealers equipped the boats with 50 or 100 feet of chain, to give more weight in the boat, making up for more weight on the stern. Fine until you get caught going down wind/seas, and the boat's bow not rising as promptly and tending to broach. I much prefer to use trim tabs, and the foil. Yes both are "bandaids". The foils give more versatility, and the ability to run into a head sea/chop with an improved ride. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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cdoryfan
Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 19 City/Region: New England
State or Province: RI
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Thataway, I hear you on the 115 vs 140, it's just so hard to say no to more HP, even thought I understand I'll never use it. The only other consideration is I think the 140 has a better oil cooler which sounds like more reliability to me, but really I'm just looking for excuses for a 140... probably going to stick with 115.
I just installed new trim tabs, so I'm hoping I can avoid the permatrim for now. The idea of so much chain does seem crazy for me (I have something like 75 feet), but I came from a sailing (racing) background where any chain over necessary was considered a capital offense. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Also racing sailboat background, and any weight in the ends of the boat is no-no. With my cruising. sailboats boats that was violated often. 200 feet of chain, heavy anchors, Dinghy on davits or on deck like a purse seiner.
With the C Dory I also like to keep the bow light--I tried several boats (22, 25 and TC 255) The first two without trim tabs, then trim tabs, and trim tabs with Permatrims....conclusion--both. The Tom Cat 255 was a different story. of course no trim tabs, but the permatrims did not give me that much a lower planing speed, which was my goal. |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1763 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 10:11 am Post subject: |
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While I have no personal experience with the particular 140 hp outboard on the back of a 22, in looking at all the specs and the fuel burn data, it looks like a better choice than the 115 to me. And I suspect, if the prop size is dialed in correctly to utilize all of the power available up to about 30 ish mph, it will perform a tad bit better than the 115. But with all that said, other posters are correct that the difference may not be actually noticeable for the average user. I personally think the only time you'd be able to tell is with a very heavily loaded boat. With the correct prop, it should be able to move a heavier load at a faster speed than the 115. |
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cdoryfan
Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 19 City/Region: New England
State or Province: RI
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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So my final final answer after much hemming and hawing... I am going to stick with the 115.
While, I believe (apart from the marginal upfront cost) there is no material benefit to get the smaller engine, and I think the 140 would be better. I know the difference would be negligible, and many smarter folks than I are advocating the 115.
A few other things influenced my decision
1) Resale: it seems like the community prefers the 115, and that matters to me
2) when I asked the folks at the dealer, everyone said they liked the 115 hp more. When I asked why, the response was (paraphrasing) "I don't know, I just really like that engine". I put a lot of stock in that gut feeling by a pro and that was a bit of a clincher.
3) Safety: There is a non-zero chance friends and family will borrow boat, I don't want to have a safety discussion of how much throttle is too much.
There is a final point which is my wife told me to get the 115... so I guess the other points are actually erroneous. |
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cdoryfan
Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 19 City/Region: New England
State or Province: RI
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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UPDATE: Repower is now complete - ended up with a (white) Suzuki 115. I'm on hour 6 of the break in period so have only gotten to just south of 5k RPM and haven't gone full throttle. Speed at that rpm topped out at 21-23knots on GPS (it was a windy day with current). I suspect I'll be able to go in the high 20s flat out but not sure. If not I guess I'll adjust the prop from it's current 19. I also got hydraulic steering fitted.
I know folks will be curious and I hesitate to say but logically can't think why it isn't okay to share... All in, repower was just about $15k. In rough numbers, $11k for outboard, $500 for control, $1.5k for the steering and $2k in labor (~14 hours). The install genuinely looks like it came out of the factory and the shop filled the old holes with West Systems epoxy / seemed to do everything right.
Should note that I got a trade in for old engine, but really not much as I had totally messed the thing up. This new engine will be dealer serviced!
Thanks for everyone's input. This was a big deal to me - a lot of money and I didn't want to make the wrong choice!
The remaining question is if I extend the warranty from what it currently is (5 years) to 8 years. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Congratulations--and you have added $15K to the boat's value. I would expect close to 30 mph (or 26 Nautical miles an hour.) |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1763 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think you're going to love it. And why not post how much the repower costs? I've never understood why it had to be a secret. I think you got a fair deal, and quite possibly a great deal as I have heard 20k being the going rate up here. I still say there's a lot to like about the 140 as well. But, I also stand by the average user will not likely utilize the extra hp. Now, go out and enjoy that thing. I'm excited for you! |
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cdoryfan
Joined: 03 Jan 2024 Posts: 19 City/Region: New England
State or Province: RI
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:48 am Post subject: |
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I too have never understood the secrecy around prices, but there ya go. As I got a bunch of different quotes, I feel comfortable with the cost. This place was thousands cheaper than anything else I could find, I really can't say enough good things about how they were to work with and the quality of the install.
For those in New England area, it's called Stateline Boatworks in Warren RI. They do Tohatsu, Honda and Suzuki. It's funny as a Yamaha dealer is next door (Warren / Bristol RI is a boatbuilding town, very cool cutting-edge boatbuilding happening around there - especially if you are into super high-end sailboats/ America's Cup type stuff).
Both dealers had been recommended to me as doing a very good job, but I found the folks at Stateline so easy to deal with and the price so good it made the choice easy for me (this is nothing against the Yamaha dealer, again, I hear good things about their work too). |
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