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Adeline
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 985 City/Region: Vancouver
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1989
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Adeline
Photos: Adeline
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:46 am Post subject: |
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When I purchased Adeline in '89 I don't think a dual-axle was even an option.
All of my boats have sat on single-axle trailers although I've towed others' dual-axles.
Snowmobiles on singles and duals. I've owned both.
Utility trailers all single.
Thousands and thousands of miles.
Duals trail smoother.
Redundancy is good.
It's also twice as many parts that could fail.
A flat tire or spun bearing or stuck wheel-cylinder is going to sideline any trailer.
Single or dual you're on the side of the road.
One last thing, if you need to "muscle" a trailer around the driveway it better be a single axle because you're not going re-park a dual without hooking it up. _________________ Pete
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texasair
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 407 City/Region: Cypress, Texas
State or Province: TX
C-Dory Year: 1989
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Bixby's Cub
Photos: Bixbys Cub
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: |
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If the tires, hubs and axle are rated for the load, a single axle trailer works fine.
With a single axle there is no alignment wear or scrubbing from turns. Also, trailer hitch height to keep the load even on both axles is not an issue with a single axle.
Our single axle trailer has a heavier 6-7000 lb rated axle and hubs. I believe most tandem axle trailers in this range come with a pair of 3,000 or 3,500 lb axles.
We have had no issues in over 8,000 miles towing our 22 cruiser.
We usually travel with full fuel and water.
I do use Load range E, 10 ply rated tires, and in the above 8,000 miles we have had 1 high speed blowout. It was a non event. The trailer tracked straight with no control issues, we made it to a safe area and put on the spare. There was no damage to the boat or the trailer. I do carry 2 spares and a spare hub with bearings just in case. I also inspect and repack the wheel bearings each season.
A tandem axle trailer is nice, but a well maintained single axle trailer will do the job.
Our tow vehicle is a Chevy 1/2 ton pickup. |
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4584 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'll try to upload a picture later, but during my last trip, I was glad I had a tandem axle trailer. Had a blow out on the front drivers side trailer tire. Was able to get it another 2 miles down the road to get off the interstate. And the spare came in handy too. Probably would have been a lot more exciting with a single. It did take me an hour to get the spare on though as I had several stop to admire and ask about the boat. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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The question I have is how old are the tires--and do you know what caused the blowout? If it was a road hazard (bolt, pot holes etc) that is explainable. We are at the point in life were we change out RV and trailer tires at 5 years by date of manufacture stamped on every tire. Expensive. Charlie had 2 blow outs on the trailer tires of the Tom Cat 255 when towing to VA a couple of years ago--the tires were 5 years old (at least of use)--and only a few hundred miles on them.
Glad that there were no issues with the trailer and you safely made the 2 miles.
We also check the temp of the tires of all vehicles about every 2 hours (exception are the car and SUV--both of which have tire pressure moniters built in). _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Home port: Pensacola FL |
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
State or Province: Other
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Photos: Sunbeam
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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colbysmith wrote: | ...during my last trip, I was glad I had a tandem axle trailer. Had a blow out on the front drivers side trailer tire. Was able to get it another 2 miles down the road to get off the interstate.... Probably would have been a lot more exciting with a single... |
I wonder if it would have. Texasair, in a post just above yours, describes having a high-speed blowout on his 22's single-axle trailer and also says it was a non-issue.
texasair wrote: | ...we have had 1 high speed blowout. It was a non event. The trailer tracked straight with no control issues, we made it to a safe area and put on the spare. There was no damage to the boat or the trailer. |
I haven't experienced one (yet), but perhaps since trailers are being pulled (not steered or "driven"), flat tires don't tend to produce really dramatic handling results?
I really like my tandem trailer, but I wouldn't mind a single-axle trailer either, in principle (my boat happened to come with a tandem). I towed a similar boat to Powell and back last year - on a single - and didn't really notice much difference over my tandem. It did have nice, beefy wheels/tires (as compared to a tandem, of course). Seems like one might have a better selection of tires to choose from. |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1763 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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I have had a couple blow out tire failures on single axle trailers at freeway speeds and other than the, "oh crap I have a flat tire vibration," that went through the trailer and truck, there were not any handling issues at all. The laws of physics states the trailer is going to go in the direction it is going unless a great force causes it to go in a different direction. A flat tire just doesn't change the direction of the force much. The bottom line is the trailer follows the truck - good tires or not.
Bob's advice is good - tires over 5 years old are generally bad news. In fact, I bet 95% of tire problems comes from tires over that 5 year mark regardless of treadlife left in them. Avoiding a blow out certainly makes what trailer type you have a moot point....... |
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DuckDogTitus
Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 1034 City/Region: Gig Harbor
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1988
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Miner
Photos: Hemingway
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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I've never had anything but tandem axle for any boat over 500lbs and having had a blowout on the highway with the tandem I assumed that I was better off for having it and being able to limp off safely. When we were shopping for a C-Dory we wanted a tandem. even the single trailers we looked at I considered always what my cost would be to upgrade trailers in the near future.
never had towed a larger boat with a single axle, it may be silly but I like my tandem axle and feel its worth a few extra bucks. also, it looks cool. _________________ Dustin |
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PaulNBriannaLynn
Joined: 26 Oct 2012 Posts: 757 City/Region: Fort White
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: TBD
Photos: Lorelei
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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We had a Glasply previous to our C-dory, and was heavier to tow. When we first purchased it, it came on an single axle trailer.
On our first attempt to take it out, the right side tire seperated at 60 mph, taking most of the metal trailer fender with it.
It was really scary keeping the trailer on the road, but I was able to stay out of the ditch and get safely off the road. The tires were most likely over 5 years old and that was likely the cause. I beleive the trailer would have pulled me into the ditch at nearly 60 mpg, if i hadnt been towing with a heavy duty tow vehicle.
That trailer bounced around alot on the highway, and also seemed more sensitive to steering changes when backing up. In high side winds, it also seemed to get blown around more.
When it finally deteriorated from saltwater, we upgraded to a double axle and the handling was a night and day difference. I can't stress enough how much better the double axle towed down the highway. |
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
State or Province: Other
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Photos: Sunbeam
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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PaulNBriannaLynn wrote: | We had a Glasply previous to our C-dory, and was heavier to tow. When we first purchased it, it came on an single axle trailer....
...When it finally deteriorated from saltwater, we upgraded to a double axle and the handling was a night and day difference. I can't stress enough how much better the double axle towed down the highway. |
How did the weight rating of the trailer compare to the weight of the boat? Just wondering if that might have been a factor. On our weight boats (22's), it's perfectly possible to have a single-axle trailer that is generously rated, but I would think that as a boat gets larger/heavier that at some point it might no longer be an option.
I don't mean to sound like I'm against tandems. I have one and like it. On the other hand I towed a very similar (style/weight) boat on a well-spec'ed single last year and it also towed great.
Just trying to distinguish whether it's a case of problems inherent in a trailer style vs. an overloading or other problem that is separate from that (I realize you probably did not spec out the trailer, so not saying you caused the problem if indeed it existed).
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4584 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a picture of that tire, after I had removed it, while waiting to get the new one next to it mounted.
The boat and trailer are a 2007, and since the previous owner didn't trailer much, most the mileage on the tires are mine. I've probably put several thousand miles on them. All looked good when I checked everything about 50 miles earlier. I run 50 psi of Nitrogen in them. (I changed over to the Nitrogen maybe 1000 miles or more earlier.) I don't know if any foreign object was picked up on the road or not. This was the forward tire, but I think run pretty much in line with my Highlander footprint. These are Goodyear Marathons. I assume they are a good tire, load range C. The boat was not overloaded, and I was only running 63-65 when this happened. When it happened, other than the loud blast, I did feel it "yank" a bit. With the Tandem, I at least could pull it a ways to get off the road. Without that other tire on that side, I would probably have been riding on the rim only. I have pulled some smaller single axle trailers in life, but just as you guys argue for twins or kickers, I see having a tandem as a more safe operation. |
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
State or Province: Other
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Photos: Sunbeam
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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DuckDogTitus wrote: | ... it may be silly but I like my tandem axle... ... it looks cool. |
That's the exact reason I wanted twin engines when I was C-Dory shopping, and it seems like a great reason to me. I found that other reasons had equal/valid counterpoints.
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4584 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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I should add, these tires were in good shape. IE, no sun cracking. I keep them covered, and I believe the previous owner pretty much kept the trailer covered. I've had trailer tires last much longer than 5 years, when properly cared for. And while I have sprayed some of that tire magic on them, I don't make it a routine. (That stuff is worse for the tire, than just letting it set!) |
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
State or Province: Other
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | The question I have is how old are the tires... |
As an aside: I did some used RV shopping this summer, and I couldn't decide whether to laugh or be scared at how many RV dealers (also private sellers, but okay, they are not professionals) had no idea what I was talking about when I asked the age of the tires.
Me: How about the tires?
Them: "The tires are excellent - tread looks like new!"
Me: "That's nice, could you tell me the date code on the tires, please?"
Them: "Date code?"
Me: ??!
In many cases these "excellent" tires were over 10-15 years old And it's not a small thing when new set is around $4k (suddenly boat trailer tires look like pennies!)
When I bought my C-Dory, I knew the trailer hadn't been used except probably to tow the boat home from the dealer (boat was stored in a rack storage building), so I never even asked. I simply planned to replace them before towing.
I just wish there were really good trailer tires to buy - when I researched, it seemed like just sort of a roulette amongst the various brands, especially in the smaller sizes. |
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PaulNBriannaLynn
Joined: 26 Oct 2012 Posts: 757 City/Region: Fort White
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: TBD
Photos: Lorelei
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Sunbeam[/quote]
How did the weight rating of the trailer compare to the weight of the boat? Just wondering if that might have been a factor. On our weight boats (22's), it's perfectly possible to have a single-axle trailer that is generously rated, but I would think that as a boat gets larger/heavier that at some point it might no longer be an option.
Sunbeam, I'm guessing our old boat was right at the cusp of requiring a double axle. That being said, once we replaced those old tires.... we got many thousands of trailering miles on that old Caulkins before it finally bit the dust.
When we did get our double axle, I was no longer "white knuckling" the steering wheel and it just seemed less scary to tow.
The 22' c-dory is light enough that a double axle is not really necessary especially with a large tow vehicle. |
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
State or Province: Other
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the follow-up info.
Sunbeam |
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