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Rob & Karen



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: CD22 V-Berth Storage Reply with quote

I have been considering something similar to the storage in the V-Berth of Orca (see link below). The additional space would be very welcome. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on this? Also, do the CD25 or TomCat have foam flotation similar to the CD22?

Thanks,

Rob

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our CD-25, the first of the 2007 models, has the foam in the area under the v-berth. I'm not sure how much flotation it provides, but was told by a former C-Dory employee that it helps with insulation and sound.

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Jim B.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The TC255 has massive amounts of storage under the berth forward. It's almost square so I wouldn't call it a "V". It's about 80"x80". When you lift up the covers under the mattress, you can look down into the forward part of the twin hulls. There is also storage forward of that, three big hatches, the center one of which is the anchor locker. No foam.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking about this, but I wonder how easy it would be to
remove/roll/bend the cushion to access the space? In Orca's case, I think
they used the space for food, so most likely only accessed the space occasionally.

I've been thinking it might be a good place for house batteries, particularly
AGM (or whatever doesn't emit gas during charging). And would not be
damaged by pounding.

But, if something bad happens, will I regret my decision if the boat completely
sinks? Is the flotation that is in there enough to keep the bow out
of the water and hence a place for us to cling to should it sink?

The owner's of Orca considered this, but felt it was worthwhile to take
the risk for the added space and given the expedition they embarked
on. My needs for storage are less.

Mike
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Folks,

I believe that this was hashed over a few months ago.

On the 22' C-Dory, the space under the berths is considered as flotation. If you cut into it, you have to add flotation. Also you should have a waterproof hatch over the berths so the flotation will still work.

I think it is a great idea. As soon as I figure the flotation problem out, and where I will put it, I may cut a hole and put a waterproof hatch in. It would be great storage area for canned goods and extra docking lines etc.
Face it, we do not have enough storage space on the 22' C-Dory.

Fred

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought that the area was filled with foam....but I had a chance to look in there last week and what I found was large blocks of foam....and the foam that was sprayed in was only a couple of inches thick... and not everywhere... and definitely not what I would call foam filled.
I am now wondering about cutting access holes and filling the entire cavity with foam... probably take 10 to 15 cans of that spray in foam.

Joel
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEA3PO wrote:
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I am now wondering about cutting access holes and filling the entire cavity with foam... probably take 10 to 15 cans of that spray in foam.

Joel
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Joel-

We filled sailboat dingys with either PVC airbags or styroboam blocks to avoid having to foam them in with permanent 2-part foam, which we considered too heavy (slow). Permanent foam also made access to the backside of hull fittings difficult.

The airbags were a pain to maintain, eg. check for leaks, and adjust when you went up and down in elevation significantly.

Using the blocks of styrofoam was the best. You can get big blocks used to pack everything from boom boxes to motorcycles for free from dumpsters and put them into the hull cavities. The foam is ultra-light, and can't escape out a puncture hole because of the size of the blocks. (Don't use styrofoam packing macaroni!) The blocks can be cut to fit through inspection hatches with just abut any saw or a hot wire.

Free, light, and easy to install. How are you at dumpster diving?


See ya' in Seattle!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gonna give this idea a shot. Not sure if my 94 22 Angler has the foam or not, and I don't have a local source for hatches up here in the mountains, but I'm heading to Charleston, SC this weekend for a kayak trip...hope to find some hatches while I'm in the area.
Any suggestions for waterproof hatches? I think I'd prefer the cam lock vs the slam-shut. Low profile is almost a must.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We sat in a 22 at the Seattle Boat Show last January and talked with Bret. He mentioned the fact that the v-berth area was a much overlooked area for storage. I have often considered adding storage in the area.
The foam is not required for floatation of the boat under normal circumstances, it is there to aid in floatation for a bow up condition of in case of a sinking feeling Embarassed

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I consider the enclosed v-berth area to be the boat's collision bulkhead.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After watching a recent "Mythbusters", I am not too worried about
collisions and foam. However, the foam does seal the area and may
keep the bow floating in case the boat fills with water.

Anyone ever talk to the factory about this?

To the poster looking for hatches: I suppose you might find
someone stocking items like this, but I would guess you will
need to order off the internet. No one seems to stock specialized
items like this unless you happen across a place that advertises on
the internet!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted some pictures on page 9 of my album that shows what the CD 19 has for storage under the V-berth. I had the cushion split so I could access the hatch easier. Why they have not added this storage area to the 22 is a mystery to me. The requirement for floatation is much greater for a boat less than 20 feet than for on larger. [img]

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Brats

Is forward storage a good idea? I know we need to make use of all space, but I like to keep the bow light. Adding groceries and gear forward is going to increase bow weight and depending on how much u add I would think it would effect handling. If the bow weight is offset by weight on the stern then maybe not such a big issue but then what happened to the floatation?

I do store fishn rods forward as well as my down riggers and anchor set up. Probably not more than 100 lbs. Occasionally I might run back in with a sleepy fisherman up there, but they complain if I go to fast.

What do ya think about a heavy bow? Your thoughts?

1tuberider
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak for the 22, but with the 19 with a 90 Suzuki, I want to get as much weight forward as I can. I store heavy stuff forward. Water, extra anchor and chain, canned foods, shore power cord etc. Robbi
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1TUBERIDER wrote:

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What do ya think about a heavy bow? Your thoughts?

1tuberider
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All depends on how heavy it is compared to the stern. We have stuffed it pretty much full during the day on a extended cruise, but with the cockpit having 90+ gal of gas, wallas fuel, extra anchors and rode, large ice chest and many miscellaneous other items its never been a problem. In fact we've never had a problem with being out of balance on either side or end. Have more problems with balance and having to correct for it when one of us is moving about in the cabin or cockpit. Not saying it couldn't become a problem. An overloaded bow in relationship to the stern is likely to cause steering problems and or motor cavitation and can't be easily corrected with trim tabs as when the stern is a little to heavy. Personally even as forgiving as the 22' C-Dory is I wouldn't be messing with the bow flotation area for extra storage unless like Orca there was an extremely good reason.

Ours was completely filled with foam by previous owner. He said it helped with the noise from chop. Ours is the only 22 we've been out in so don't know for sure.

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