22'C-Dory angler vs cruiser

[wapiti]

Just started doing some research on the 22' C-Dory and I would like to know what are the main features which differentiate the angler from the cruiser? I am a fisherman but if I would purchased used I have noticed more cruisers for sale than angler models. Thanks for your advice.
wapiti11

[Sea Wolf]

wapiti-

Here's a place to start:

22' Angler vs Cruiser.

Joe.

[Sea Wolf]

wapiti-

Here's another one:

Cruiser vs, Angler

Be sure to ask any further questions you have!

Good Luck!

Joe.

[ffheap]

Hi Folks,

I purchased an 1983 Angler, because it was the only C-Dory in New England for sale.

Cruiser has a larger cabin, a small entrance to the forward bunks, a larger dinette, a larger galley, and a smaller cockpit.

An Angler has a larger cockpit, smaller cabin, a larger entrance to the bunk area.

For fishing I would purchase the angler. For cruising, I would have purchased the cruiser, except with my modifications, I am happy with my angler.

Another point. The pre 1986 C-Dory's were designed to carry the 2 stroke outboards. The post 1986 C-Dory's can carry the newer and heaver 4 stroke outboards.

When I added a 75HP 4 Stroke Yamaha, I had to raise the waterline 3 inches at the stern.

Good Luck,

Fred

[snal]

We were in the market for either a 22 or 25 cruiser, with bying a new boat being 1-3 years away, then we happened upon a good deal on a 22 angler. Since that purchase we've concluded that we prefer the angler for our purpose. We do fish, but that isn't the main intent for our C Dory. The cockpit size is what we like about the angler.

[wapiti]

Thank you all for the excellent and expendient comments. I think I need to go to a Pacific Coast boat show or a dealer and see these different models for myself.
wapiti

[Byrdman]

Do also consider showing up at a C-Brat Gathering anywhere in America. They are great, you get to see what they look like with stuff on them...not an empty boat on/in a show room on a concrete floor. Just a much true'r representation of what these great little boats are and can be.

I like angler versions simply due to being able to "adapt" the boat depending on a simple day cruise, a long range cruise...and at days end after the travels are over....we all head to the back porch and stretch out a bit and enjoy friends ...and stuff... With a good canvas job and a little work/playing around...the entire aft section of the boat can be kept as basically dry/heated and/or cooled as the cabin area.... It is just all in how you use your boat...and where you like to hang out.

More used cruisers are on the market than used anglers....due partly to the fact of just how many of each have been built/sold. I am not sure of the ratio to date...but maybe someone from the factory can give us that info. My guess is about 90-95% cruiser/angler....but.. it is just a guess.

Byrdman

[Sea Wolf]

wapiti-

One point of clarification-

From what's been said right here, you might confuse the older "Classic" 1980-1986 model with the more recent Angler.

The "Classic" was the only 22 produced from the 22's inception until 1987, when the modern Cruiser and it's shorter cabin/longer cockpit brother the Angler was simultaneously introduced.

Take a look at this: Classic 22 vs. Angler 22

I'll try to find a more detailed thread later.

Joe.

[Sea Wolf]

Waipiti-

Here's an exercpt I wrote from a thread that explains the difference:

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Sea Wolf wrote:

What follows below is not an attempt to help sell this boat or any other to you, but just some thinking that the consideration of this boat and the other one on the C-Dog site have made me do about the older "Classic" design C-Dorys.

All 22's before 1987 are the classic models. They look like an 1987 or later Angler externally because they have a shorter cabin, but have a diffeerent layout in the cockpit and the cabin.

The pre-87's have a short cabin, an open port side of the interior bulkhead to the v-berth, a shortened dinette table and single seat to port, a small space to the rear of the helm to starboard, a lower roof line (no center bulge), the stern has a center motor well with both sides at the stern open and a shelves below, the rear cabin bulkhead and door are wood, and the boat has a flat bottom that looks exactly like the bottom of a clothes iron.


Most of us have the 1987 or later models. Those of us with the Cruisers love them for their interior amenities: galley, sink, dinette, convertible berth, private v-berth, etc. This is a conventional design that sells exactly because it has appeal to the couple/family buyer and requires little modification for most uses. The Angler, the more direct descendant of the Classic CD, is more like the original boat with a larger cockpit and a more spartan interior. The factory for a short while offered a Sport Fisher (I think that's the term) which is more of a day-use fishing boat without the rear cabin bulkhead and more dedicated seating.

The original Classic design probably seemed a little unorthodox and less immediately appealing to potential customers. The open rear sides of the cockpit and narrow central engine well don't look like a typical purpose designed fishing boat at the boatshow. The interior lacked finished definition of space and was missing the elements of spousal appeal and privacy that create the consensus necessary to write the down payment check. And the absolutely flat, seemingly cut off bottom was to most an enigma that just left most shoppers wondering. Thus the re-design of the boat for 1987.

But, having looked at and considered this design for a good number of years, it makes more and more sense, especially for use as a dedicated fishing machine.

The large and very open cockpit has loads of room and can be modified to accommodate a lot of fishing, crabbing, and other equipment. Rods, nets, livewells, fishboxes, traps, davits, dingies- maybe you can't have them all, but you can have more of them than with a two foot shorter cockpit with closed transom corners.

Internally, the cabin can be modified as needed for your specific needs. Lots of room there to tailor the boat to your fishing/boating plans. A
project person's dream with a few tools and some time.

The hull's secrets are usually untold. The absolutely flat bottom rocks somewhat less at rest than a shallow v. ( and a lot less than a deep v, which the CD's are not). It planes relatively easily, like the shallow V of the later boats, and sets flat on a mud or sand bottom with the tide out, so you won't want roll out of bed when the tide takes it leave, or need a gimballed stove for breakfast. Plus, it's draft should be even shallower than the shallow V.

Overall, it appears the Classic C-Dory was very carefully and cleverly designed as a utility fishing boat with a lot of adaptability, but not very well understood by the public after the typical quick glance or look at the boatshow or dealer's lot. Probably even a good explanation of the boats qualities and design solutions by a salesman would be met with unsettled indecision unless the prospective buyer had a wealth of knowledge and experiences with fishing boats of this size and purpose.

But that's not to say that we can't today appreciate these Classic C-Dorys for what they are and how they can be used. As a dedicated fishing boat for a person who knows what they're going to do with the vessel and can determine how it fits their needs, it may be a very good fit. Especially if one likes projects and has the time to do the work. As such a boat like this actually provides a second hobby of boat modification that is entertaining in its own right.


Joe.

[C-Otter]

My 1985 classic has the raised roof, 6 foot two headroom. Also after all twenty two years you will not find a crack any-where. c-otter

[lloyds]

Now I am curious about the Angler. I was looking at what the various dealers had available and I saw two different 22 Anglers, one with a canvas backdrop, and one with the regular bulkhead. Is it possible the factory actually makes the 22 Angler in two different configurations? I kinda like the 22 Angler with the bulkhead.

[Sea Wolf]

lloyds-

The standard Angler has always come with a solid Alaskan bulkhead to the rear, to my knowledge, but custom boats can be ordered.

They did make a Sport Fisher model of the Cruiser with a cut away rear bulkhead a few years ago, but have discontinued it. It had bench seats inside instead of the dinette and galley, probably best suited for charter fishing use.

It would be easy to get an Angler modified with an open rear bulkhead, as a cut-away job is a lot easier than an add-on!

As an example of a custom boat, at the Factory Party two years ago, we saw a custom order 22 Cruiser with the galley eliminated and a stand-up enclosed head substituted in the starboard rear of the cabin.

Such custom orders are probably not sought out by the factory as they tend to take additional time to produce, but may be available for a fee.

If you like the Angler with the bulkhead, it's readily available already!

Joe.

[Sea Wolf]

If you want to compare the floor-plan lay-out of the Angler and Cruiser, go the the C-Dory Brochures (pdf file), and scroll down the page to the 22's. The two floor plans are side-by-side there!

Joe.

[C-Green]

lloyds, the Angler with the canvas backdrop that you saw may have been a CD-19 which is a CD-22 hull shortened 3 feet with the cabin of a CD-22 Angler, the cockpit of the CD-22 Cruiser, and no rear cabin bulkhead; see the Factory website for details.

[lloyds]

I am thinking it really was a 19 but the ad definitely said it was a 22 angler. Glad to hear the 22 angler has a bulkhead. I am heading to Sportcraft this afternoon to look at both 22's. They have them both in stock. Maybe get a ride. Joe, I thought I looked carefully at the brochure, maybe I missed the appropriate page. Thanks.