Building composite anchor roller for 14lbs delta on c-22

cdoryfan

Hi all,

I have a (new to me) 22 Cruiser which came with a 9lbs Delta anchor that I am not comfortable with (I think it's undersized / can best be described as "cute").

I bought the next size up (a 14 lbs delta) but it wouldn't fit on the bow roller without hitting the bow/scratching gelcoat.

I also wasn't happy with the rollers I could find online and decided to make one myself. I'm about 90% done with this project and thought ya'll may be interested, and see if anyone else has run into this issue / what their solution was.

Build:
I used a wet layup over a mold with a vacuum pump, it's a mixture of (mostly) carbon weave, some unidirectional weave and some fiberglass. I made the roller with a droop so it was closer to the water, so am thinking about how to protect the roller from the chain, currently thinking sacrificial fiberglass. Next steps... cut down the roller to fit the boat and attach it. I also have some light finishing to do (I used some filler on the inside where my vacuum went funky). I am not sure how to post pictures, but would be happy to if anyone is interested. Had a ton of lessons learned, and am now heavily considering what else "needs" to be carbon.

thataway · Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:38 pm Post subject:

Ask one of the administrators for an album. (TyBoo or DaNag-2nd and 3rd on the "Members list".

Yes we would like to see photos. I often put a bow anchor shield of SS over the upper bow. I would consider a 3rd generation anchor, such as Mantis, or Ronca/Vulcan there are number of other better anchors than the Delta. I would go up one size to a "Vulcan" 12# Anchor.

ssobol

cdoryfan · Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 1:59 pm Post subject:

Thanks Thataway, I know there are better anchors than Delta, but I'm used to delta's and claws, and most important, I found a used one so very affordable.

Regarding the scuffing, I was misleading in my language, it would more than scratch the bow, it would poke a hole in it. That's the whole genesis for this thing.

I'll ask the admins for an album! Thanks!

Hunkydory · Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 4:26 pm Post subject:

This is our solution to a similar problem worked out over an approximately 12 year period.

Our CD22, three years old, when purchased it in 2003, came with the small stock anchor roller & a 11# claw anchor. Even with being complete anchoring novices it didn’t take long on our first Alaska cruise to see the 11# claw was virtually useless for our intended use, so for the next year Alaska cruise in 2004 & the following three extended SE Alaska cruises upgraded to a Lewmar 22# anchor with 25 feet of chain. This set up was adequate for use without a windless, but the anchor wouldn’t self deploy & made at times contact with the bow causing chipping of the bow gelcoat. The gelcoat contact was solved by the “scuff buster guard” linked to above by Sobelle. When adding the windless in 2013, I decided to also upgrade the anchor roller & complete rode. The Sea Dog anchor roller with either a 15# Manson Supreme anchor or 25# Manson Boss will always self deploy & in my experience have turned out to be much better anchors, than the previous claw type. The 25# Manson Boss will on rare occasion make contact with the bow, so still glad to have the scuff buster there. We have now made an additional 4, SE Alaska extended cruises with this set up & are very pleased with it.

This is a 2003 photo with the original anchor roller & 11# Lewmar claw anchor.

This is in 2004 with 22# Lewmar Claw anchor prior to adding scuff buster

This is in 2012 with 22# Lewmar claw with scuff buster

This is a photo taken in 2014 of our scuff buster set up with windless, upgraded anchor roller & the 25# Manson Boss anchor. The 25# Manson Boss anchor would certainly be gross overkill for most on a CD22, but I sure appreciate its mostly instant set & ability to at times use less than the normally prescribed scope without anxiety.

Hunkydory · Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:03 pm Post subject:

After posting & then to late to edit, I noticed the misspelling of C-Brat ssobol in my post, so can only apologize to him here now.

Jay

cdoryfan · Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:38 pm Post subject:

Jay, looks like that works very well / certainly seems like overkill in a good sense (what I'm going for too).

cdoryfan · Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:08 pm Post subject:

I put some photos in an album (I think you can get to it under my name on the left side of the screen), still figuring out how to put them in the post.

Currently it is about 95% complete, I just need to measure out exactly where I want to drill the holes and the length it needs to be.

I dry fit the anchor in it and think it looks pretty good as the curve matches the delta anchor.

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=cdoryfan&id=IMG_4238&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

Foggy · Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:00 am Post subject:

To ratchet up making a vacuum bagged carbon fiber structure to support a bow
anchor, take a look at a hi-tech refined process to handle the demands of a 280
mph hi-tech automobile wheel. This amazing material saves weight, increases
strength over steel and aluminum.

http://www.dexcraft.com/articles/carbon-fiber-composites/aluminium-vs-carbon-fiber-comparison-of-materials/

Be sure to watch the video under section "9. Production Implementation".

BTW nice job on your composite anchor roller.

Aye.

cdoryfan · Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:38 am Post subject:

Foggy, I would have loved to do a pre-preg, and those wheels are something else! ... maybe on the next boat. I think my wife would kill me if I said we needed an autoclave. I told her the anchor roller would cost 8 dollars.... slightly underestimated there!

olsurfdog · Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 2:59 pm Post subject: Anchor Roller

Nice job on the roller!! Good design, well executed. Would be nice to protect it without sacrificial fiberglass. If it was me I’d tend to wait too long to add more fiberglass as it got worn. You’re probably better at the necessary maintenance than I am.
It will be interesting to see what other projects you come up with.

cdoryfan · Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:43 pm Post subject:

Roller is now installed and it seems very sturdy / fit for purpose; I feel much more comfortable with the anchor size now. I uploaded pictures of it installed with anchor (delta 14 lbs).

Plan is to cruise around east coast. It gets crowded so I want to go shallower than everyone else, drop / set anchor and have some reasonable degree of confidence I won't drag. On to other projects now!

Next project is removing all screws that go into the hull and change some of the furniture inside. Things that rust or rot will slowly be eliminated. We'll see how far I get!

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?full=1&set_albumName=cdoryfan&id=IMG_4252&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php