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hardee



Joined: 30 Oct 2006
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City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7 to 9 knots in a Marinaut is above hull speed, and below plaining speed. You would be at the stage where you are pushing a step of water, with the boat trying to get up onto that step, and it will be the least efficient speed available on that boat. Slow cruise will be about 4.5 knots, Hull speed will come in at about 5.5, and plaining will be just slightly over 9 knots.

Sure you can do it, comfort will depend on water conditions, and how comfortable you are at that gas guzzling speed. As to that R-23 best cruise speed, at 22 it is going to be pushing a lot of water too. That is not a plaining hull, and the fuel burn at 22 is twice to 3 times the fuel burn a 6 knots.

Harvey
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Jazzmanic



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correction Harvey. As you know, we now own an R23 and it is definitely a planing hull. We usually get on plane at about 17 mph and she does prefer to cruise around 22-27 mph. Obviously the fuel burn is not like the CD22, 2 mpg or less and 10+ gph. Trade-offs right?

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hardee



Joined: 30 Oct 2006
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City/Region: Sequim
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C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Peter. I should have waited for you to go first. I understood it was a combination planing/displacement. The ones I have seen making 20 knotts looked like they were working pretty hard.

Harvey
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Jazzmanic



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worries Harvey. The inboard diesels are definitely not go fast planing hulls. However, the new generation R23, R27 and now the R25 are all outboard planing hulls that WANT to go fast. Our R23 would rather go 30 mph than 20. It takes a lot of control on my part to keep it under 25mph. Other than all the systems on the boat, the biggest adjustment we had to make was getting used to the gas guzzling on the R23 compared to sipping gas on the C-Dorys.
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Two Happy



Joined: 08 Feb 2019
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City/Region: Bothell
State or Province: WA
PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Marinaut Update Reply with quote

Hello- Are you able to get comprehensive insurance on this build? It appears another person who purchased either the first or near first build was having difficulty getting comprehensive insurance due to it the hull identifier showing the boat as a "Washington State homemade boat.", or something to that effect. Am curious about this because we have heard on non insurable boats due to being homemade. The conversation over that was in this forum and I believe the owner seeking advice was Gary. He posted the Hull identification and it began with a WNZ to denote a homemade vessel. Thanks for any input regarding ability to obtain insurance on your new build.

oldgrowth wrote:
I have entered into an agreement with Madison Bay Holding for the production of the Marinaut pilot house boat. The company is owned and operated by Ricardo Ruelos who was Executive Vice President and a shareholder of C-Dory Marine during a successful and productive period from 2000-2005. Ricardo exited the company in 2005 and was hired back in 2007 to assist with a restructure that managed to save the C-Dory brand. Ricardo and I have been working together over the past years to move the Marinaut molds to Florida where he has established an infrastructure and manufacturing base to begin producing the Marinaut 215 (now branded as the 220). He has added additional models of 25 ft, 33 ft and 36 ft Cruisers to his line of boats.

The Marinaut and all boats will be marketed under the Cape Dory Cruisers brand as Ricardo acquired the trademarks for Cape Dory after completing his involvement with C-Dory and the investors at the time, Fluid Marine. The new website is capedorycruisers.com

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duff



Joined: 01 Dec 2009
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City/Region: thompson falls
State or Province: MT
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:47 pm    Post subject: Marinauts 220 Reply with quote

I answered an ad about a used 2023 220 but when they got back to me. It wasn’t a used boat at all but they wanted to build me a new one. A lot of money to spend. With out being able to see one or get on it or take it for a test run. Hope it works for them but I think they will have to bit the bullet and build a few and sale them. Starts at 78,490 before you add the motor or any options.

New Sport
MSRP Customer Model
Cape Dory Boat& Options Pricing Inserts &
Choices
Boat: Cape Dory 220 Marinaut-Sport Model 78,490 78,490 78,490
Motor: Suzuki 90 HP 12,454
Motor: Suzuki 115 HP 14,008
Add: Motor Mounting Cost Below
Kicker Motor: Suzuki 15 HP 3,850
Total Boat & Motor
Trailer 4,980
Total Boat, Motor & Trailer

Options:
Slant Back Curtain 1,130
Full Camper Canvas 4,931
Drop Curtain 1,250
Bimini Top 1,475
Galley & Counter 1,935
Windlass (Electric) 2,668
Rear Bulkhead and door 2,603
Grab Rails-Rear Bulkhead-Each side 280
V-Berth Cushions 1,160
Electric Wipers- Each 3 Recommeded 285
Interior Grab Rails 670
Roof Rails-Polished Aluminum 780
Trim Tabs 1,385
Window Coverings-Ext. or Int.TBD
Radar Arch & Mount-TBD
Wallas Stove/Heater 4,485
Sea Star Hydraulic Steering 773
Automatic Bilge-Standard
Dual Battery & Switch 840
Raw Water Wash Down 1,075
Portable Head 298
Fixed Kicker Bracket 814
Aluminum Factory Prop 370
Stainless Steel Prop 660
Added Starboard Rear Seat& Table TBD
Air Conditioning TBD
Cockpit Seating- Rear Bench-TBD TBD
Cockpit Seating Port or Starboard-TBD TBD
Cockpit Table- TBD TBD
Aft Deck Work Light 230
Anchor Deck Pipe 420
AM/FM Stereo 1,980
Snap Curtain over V Berth TBD
Stainless Cockpit Side Rails TBD
Stainless Rocket Launcher 220
AC/DC Refrigerator 1,750
Remote Spot Light 850
Shore Power TBD
Added Fuel to 60 Gallons (Std: 40 Gal) 480
Swim Step & Ladder 1,375
Total Options
Total Boat & Motor-Line 22
Total Boat, Motor & Options
Trailer 4,980.00
Total Boat, Motor, Options & Trailer
Less Ambassador Discount
Special Ambassador Total Final Price
Note: Any necessary Taxes & Freigh will be added
to final invoice that will be provided after this
document is received showing your preferred options
Deposit 35% of Total w/taxes on Invoice # 1125 A
Progress Payment 45% of C 77-Upon HIN # Provided
Final Payment 20%-Due When Motor Delivered
Total Payments C71 through C73
Note to New Customers: MSRP shown above are indicated as a guideline to start the process of
calculating the final price of boats ordered. The final price will vary depending upon
the options chosen & the time of order or delivery Trade in boats, RV's, etc. may
be considered on a select basis.
Please return this document indicating the options you would like & we will provide you with a
total cost along with start and finish dates.
This is what I received.
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Knipet



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City/Region: Orcas Island
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C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me if this sounds a little "snarky", but how is this any better than either a C-Dory 22 or Venture 23 from a very established and proven boat builder, NMI?
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thataway



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only official comment is that you seem to buy the hull, and then everything else is extra! Never heard of "extra" for v bunk cushions ($1160). Many of those extras are standard on any C Dory. You could get will into the $120,000 by the time you had a decency equipped boat.
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ssobol



Joined: 27 Oct 2012
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City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thataway wrote:
My only official comment is that you seem to buy the hull, and then everything else is extra! Never heard of "extra" for v bunk cushions ($1160). Many of those extras are standard on any C Dory. You could get will into the $120,000 by the time you had a decency equipped boat.


But you could outfit it anyway you want at whatever level of spending you are comfortable with. If the bare boat was inexpensive enough and you had the time and the skills, this might not be such a bad idea. Buy what you want from the factory and do the rest yourself.

For example, you may not like the factory v-berth cushions (too hard, too thin, wrong color, whatever). So rather than pay for the factory ones and then discarding them, you just buy/make ones you find more suitable. How many C-Brats have "enhanced" the cushions that came with their boats?
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smckean (Tosca)



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How many C-Brats have "enhanced" the cushions that came with their boats?

I have.....and to emphasize your point, it cost $1800 (if I remember correctly)! True, my wife picked a somewhat more expensive fabric, but the final result is terrific (not to mention cheerful Wink).


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