Honda's new Generator

T.R. Bauer · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:26 am Post subject:

I sure would think so - that's a lot of power and I have heard from the RV folks the 2200 runs an AC unit reliably depending on the factors. Some AC units, like the one on top of my RV, have a big capacitor to help with start up energy requirements. Mine has a second one for the fan as well. Anyway, it hardly even pulls a 4k genset down on startup while running a litany of other loads.

Salmon Fisher · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:40 pm Post subject:

Here is a link to what you need for your AC:

https://www.microair.net/products/easystart-364-3-ton-single-phase-soft-starter-for-air-conditioners

thataway · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:52 pm Post subject:

Foggy · Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:41 pm Post subject:

What about the new Li ion battery inverters (Yeti Goal Zero, Bluetti, etc);
lighter in weight, shore power (120V) rechargeable, solar rechargeable,
car chargeable (auto is DC, OB engine is DC) and seem to be ideal for
marine use avoiding hazards of gas/propane?

It's said "Lithium is the new gasoline". Consider environment, pollution...

If you're insecure, you can even carry along one of those little outdated
Honda dual (gas/LPG) fuel chargers for a quick recharge, or, just to make
you feel better.

Aye.

ssobol · Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:29 pm Post subject:

thataway · Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:50 pm Post subject:

You would have to have a mighty big "inverter generator" to power an air conditioner. Every once in a while we have a C brat show up at a gathering, with his new "solar charger"--it is not even enough to run a refrigerator for 24 hours. In the real world of powering items, these are basically toys for people who have very low loads.

To run a RV roof air conditioner for 9200 to 13,000 BTU would for 8 hours at night would require a bank of about 500 amp hours usable. I did this with golf cart batteries in about 2002 for an express cruiser with a 5000 BTU Water cooled 120 V AC air conditioner. The 400 amp hour battery bank (Golf carts) would run bout 4 hours before it was "out of juice".

We are not there yet. Even though I had a 5,000 BTU air conditioner in the C Dory 25, with usable 200 amp hours of usable Li battery power, and a 2000 watt PSW inverter, I would not consider running the air conditioner on it.

robhwa · Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:16 am Post subject:

robhwa · Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:58 am Post subject:

…Honda 90 is about 35 AMPS, not watts, so figure more like 1/12 400 hours. Still a lot of motoring.

Foggy · Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:23 pm Post subject:

Seems a Yeti Goal Zero 3000X would work for some. Then there's the 6000X, at
36 lbs heavier but with about 2X the below stats on run/charge time.
Want more juice, add Li ion batteries; lighter than lead-acid and pricier.

jkidd · Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:17 pm Post subject:

thataway · Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:17 pm Post subject:

Looking at the list that foggy provided--the closest to the RV roof air conditioner is the circular saw--and that gets 2 hours of run time. So you would need 4X that capacity for overnight.

Although LiFePO4 batteries are apparently more expensive--that does not hold up iv you want to keep the the battery unit for 10 years. Although 1/2 the weight of FLA batteries, the weight adds up quickly in either an RV or boat.

Our current RV is on a sprinter 3500 chassis-(One ton), we have towed a 4300# car a number of thousands of miles. I would say that is about the size limit as what I would want to tow. We are going to tow our Caracal cat to Hontoon, so we will see how that works behind the Sprinter. We had a Road Trek one ton with "towing capacity" of 6800 lbs listed. We towing the first 25 fir short distances. That was marginal. There is no way I would even consider a C dory 25 behind a sprinter chassis.

In our rv, we have a 3500 watt Onan diesel generator--that is fine for the most of our challenges with power--such as the 15000 BTU roof air. Some owners have gone to 2 100 amp hours batteries. The sprinters have 200 amp output LN alternators--but there is danger of these overheating, so they are limited in run time to less than 50 when charging the Li battery bank.

No free lunch here.
Bob

jkidd · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:56 pm Post subject:

There here, on the box it says not for sale in California.

thataway · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:15 pm Post subject:

It certainly is a game changer! It does not seem to have a fuel shut off, like the 2200 has--that was great to run the fuel out of the carb--but with injectors it may not be necessary.

At $2600, it is more expensive than 2 of the 2200 units. ($1200 each). It will be interesting to see if any of the cheaper competitors come out with a similar model
The 2200 are: AC Output 120V 2200W max. (18.3A), 1800W rated (15A).

Looking a little further it has a 1.2 gallon tank, and has A C Output 120V 3200W max. (26.7A), 2600W rated (21.7A).

Looking at the specs, two of the 2200s give you a true 30 amp steady running power. The single 3200 only gives 21.7 amps or just a little over 20 amps, steady running draw. I would go with two of the 2200's.

My RV has a 3.200 Onan Diesel generator--These are only made for OEM installation, and have 26.7 amps output.. The 3200 is a great size--can run AC, plus microwave.

jkidd · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:03 pm Post subject:

-Waypoint- · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 8:39 pm Post subject:

Love it. But the only way I would see the need to get a genset that size for our boat would be to have the ability to keep our roof A/C running and run a small hair dryer at the same time.

I have the Honda 2200 companion model and we use it to keep the A/C running non-stop underway. Runs our Colman Mac Air 13,500 BTUs for 5 hours on 0.9 gallons of gas. The phone app shows 1540 watts with just the a/c running. So I just turn the A/C off for a min so my wife can dry her hair.