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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013
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City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
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Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
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 Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:11 am Post subject: Here They Come |
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"Here" is Northern Michigan.
"They" are electric boats.
We know there are electric outboard motors for boats; also cars, trucks, drones,
planes. If we felt the momentum, we could have (should have?) extrapolated to
boats.
https://www.traverseticker.com/news/sea-change-why-the-electric-boat-industry-is-sailing-toward-northern-michigan/
Why Northern Michigan? My guess: clean, clear, unsalted water in a boater's
paradise. Check a map.
Aye.
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ssobol
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Here They Come |
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You'd think that they would start in the Chesapeake Bay.
Lots of places to go in close proximity, longer season, higher disposable incomes, more potential customers. |
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Foggy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Don't know.
Maybe they value quality over quantity.
Strange, yes?
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starcrafttom
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | (30+ knots, or 34.5 miles per hour) and range (up to 100 nautical miles, at slower speeds) |
notice they never mention the low range at a good speed or the low speed of the high range? just toys for the rich and not much good for anything else. The modern internal combustion engine is so clean and reliable I don't know why this electric engine fade is still pushed. zif you are on a no gas motor lake or a small lake I can see it maybe but that would be the only reason.
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ssobol
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| starcrafttom wrote: | | Quote: | | (30+ knots, or 34.5 miles per hour) and range (up to 100 nautical miles, at slower speeds) |
notice they never mention the low range at a good speed or the low speed of the high range? just toys for the rich and not much good for anything else. The modern internal combustion engine is so clean and reliable I don't know why this electric engine fade is still pushed. zif you are on a no gas motor lake or a small lake I can see it maybe but that would be the only reason. |
More and more lakes are turning to electric only for allowed mechanical propulsion. Some places your boat can't even have a gas motor mounted on it, even if you don't use it. |
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daninPA
Joined: 16 Aug 2020
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City/Region: MOUNT JOY
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C-Dory Year: 1994
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Here They Come |
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You'd think that they would start in the Chesapeake Bay.
Lots of places to go in close proximity, longer season, higher disposable incomes, more potential customers. |
...and thousands of miles of coastline, many miles of open water, significant tides, currents, rough water, and pop-up storms.
I'll take propulsion in the air and on water refined over a century for now, thanks. |
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Foggy
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Foggy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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These motors just might be 'the thing' for those who disliked the often tight
squeeze around vehicles and pumps refueling your boat on your trailer.
No more inconveniences trying to save $ avoiding marine fuel prices.
And forget those underway MPG calculations. With all electric, it's M/kWh.
A chance to learn something new. You'll love it. It's coming and here to stay.
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daninPA
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm fine with options.
I just don't think it's fair to assume one option is "eco-friendly" and the other is not when the term is so ambiguous as to be pointless.
It's also unfair to assume that everyone in all cases will adopt and apply technology at the same rate and for the same purposes. I still like my mechanical-wind watch. I prefer "steam gauges" on an airplane as a backup. I read paper maps, but have Garmin products on my boat, bike, and airplanes.
It's not all good v.s all bad, and sadly, it seems this topic presumes that one side is butterflies and puffy clouds while the other is noxious fumes, piles of toxins, and global extermination. |
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Foggy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry about your feelings of unfairness. FYI I have no feelings pro or con about
this newer marine technology. I have not recommended electric boats or electric
outboard motors. I have posted about it as a matter of interest for others who
may want to learn something they may not be aware of.
Actually, I have mentioned, in some previous post, "there is no perfect boat" which
I still hold as true. Even if there were a perfect boat, not all would agree or want it.
Aye.
Grandma used to say, "Less is more." |
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mutski
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder if somebody will make a 90HP electric outboard that would work on a C-Dory. And what will the battery weigh? What if you could boat once a week and recharge from a solar panel on the roof? |
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daninPA
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Foggy wrote: | | Sorry about your feelings of unfairness. FYI I have no feelings pro or con about this newer marine technology. |
Misquote: I said it is unfair to describe electric as "eco-friendly" and assume IC engines are not. In fact, it's clear electric motors are superficially "green" as they appear to have no visible emissions while shielding operators from the generation, transmission, and storage of energy.
*Everything* has an impact on the environment. We had our C-22 on the St Lawrence River last week above the Eisenhower lock and Power Authority dams. The Seaway project flooded thousands of acres, rerouted rivers, blocked fish migration, and enabled the introduction of invasive species (such as the Zebra mussel and lamprey). All to generate electric power. The Baie James project in Quebec installed massive dams to harness hydro power, then built a continuous prallel string of ugly towers from the far north all the way to NYC.
The environment is not a static museum display. It's an ever-changing system of systems. All we can do is make choices based on the knowledge and resources available at the time. |
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Foggy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| daninPA wrote: | | Foggy wrote: | | Sorry about your feelings of unfairness. FYI I have no feelings pro or con about this newer marine technology. |
Misquote: I said it is unfair to describe electric as "eco-friendly" and assume IC engines are not. In fact, it's clear electric motors are superficially "green" as they appear to have no visible emissions while shielding operators from the generation, transmission, and storage of energy.
*Everything* has an impact on the environment. We had our C-22 on the St Lawrence River last week above the Eisenhower lock and Power Authority dams. The Seaway project flooded thousands of acres, rerouted rivers, blocked fish migration, and enabled the introduction of invasive species (such as the Zebra mussel and lamprey). All to generate electric power. The Baie James project in Quebec installed massive dams to harness hydro power, then built a continuous prallel string of ugly towers from the far north all the way to NYC.
The environment is not a static museum display. It's an ever-changing system of systems. All we can do is make choices based on the knowledge and resources available at the time. |
It seems you have a battery of grievances.
I am not here to convince you otherwise.
Aye. |
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BillE
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daninPA
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Foggy wrote: | | daninPA wrote: | | Foggy wrote: | | Sorry about your feelings of unfairness. FYI I have no feelings pro or con about this newer marine technology. |
Misquote: I said it is unfair to describe electric as "eco-friendly" and assume IC engines are not. In fact, it's clear electric motors are superficially "green" as they appear to have no visible emissions while shielding operators from the generation, transmission, and storage of energy.
*Everything* has an impact on the environment. We had our C-22 on the St Lawrence River last week above the Eisenhower lock and Power Authority dams. The Seaway project flooded thousands of acres, rerouted rivers, blocked fish migration, and enabled the introduction of invasive species (such as the Zebra mussel and lamprey). All to generate electric power. The Baie James project in Quebec installed massive dams to harness hydro power, then built a continuous prallel string of ugly towers from the far north all the way to NYC.
The environment is not a static museum display. It's an ever-changing system of systems. All we can do is make choices based on the knowledge and resources available at the time. |
It seems you have a battery of grievances.
I am not here to convince you otherwise.
Aye. |
An argument is not a grievance. It's a set of propositions that together form a point. The point is rather simple: not everyone is on the all-electric-now bandwagon, and for very good reasons.
It's likely that >99% of vessels listed on this site are powered by IC engines using gasoline or diesel with no change in powerplant planned anytime soon without significant compulsion.
Many of us would give up the motorboat if we were so compelled. This would be a shame, given the joy, adventure, and exposure to the watery world afforded by these wonderful machines.
I've paddled canoes multiple days over thousands of miles. I'm a bit past that now and am immensely enjoying my gas-powered C-Dory. |
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