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Thompson
Joined: 26 Jan 2022 Posts: 5 City/Region: Kingston
State or Province: ON
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:20 pm Post subject: New member quality issues... |
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Hello, I've had a love of C Dory cruisers for many years. Now that I'm retired would like to purchase a 22 ft model for use in my backyard, Lake Ontario. However, recently I've run across a few cases of owners with quality issues. One is Scallywag on youtube with extensive balsa core rotting issues. Sorry if this topic has already been addressed on this forum. Just a few questions...is this something that is common on older cruisers. And, are there certain model years that are much better choices?
Appreciate any feedback. Love these boats and want to make the right choice when I soon begin my search. Thanks very much... Tom |
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Nootka Rose
Joined: 27 Dec 2021 Posts: 4 City/Region: Victoria
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 1989
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Nootka Rose
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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not an issue , don't worry about it.
have the hull sounded in the survey if you are concerned. |
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Thompson
Joined: 26 Jan 2022 Posts: 5 City/Region: Kingston
State or Province: ON
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your reply. Guess a survey can be a good idea if you have any concerns. Just surprising to see such a gently used, low hour cruiser with some serious issues. Though it can certainly happen with any boat manufacturer. Has there been any changes thru the years with the core construction? |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
Photos: SleepyC
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Yes there are some cases of moisture intrusion, that happens depending on how the boat is cared for. The delamination is a very rare occurrence. Look at the numbers of boats produced, and compare that to the delam issues found and reported.
As mentioned, a pre purchase survey is a good investment in future comfort, and worth the $$ cost.
These boats are well built, seaworthy and sturdy and an excellent investment in good memories. That is well worth the investment. The difference in cost between a new and used purchase is up to you. The variations in used boats is considerable, and the used boat value varies according what comes with the boat (gear, accessories, electronics, trailer) and how it has been cared for, (storage protection from weather, hull penetrations, impact damage).
As has been mentioned before, " YOU get what you pay for, and you pay for what you get".
By the way, Look up, (Use the search function here) and read up on the boats. There is hours of good information here and it is very useful.
Harvey
SleepyC
_________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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Thompson
Joined: 26 Jan 2022 Posts: 5 City/Region: Kingston
State or Province: ON
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Harvey...appreciate the advice! |
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kaelc
Joined: 19 Jul 2017 Posts: 411 City/Region: Saanich
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Island Magic
Photos: Stil-Afloat
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Like any non-aluminum boat except for a few 2010 and newer, wood is a large component. If there have not been lots of holes drilled or an accident water intrusion is very unlikely in a c-dory. Look for modification, and poorly sealed former screw holds just like on any boat and if there are lots proceed with caution.
A friend has a 22 C-dory made in the 80's and it is rock solid. Unlike many owners of a "good" east coast brand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9QbeFqkE6k&list=PLTlAhsWfj8B-CcRmy-Xf9hchzY-YpXP5H&index=1 |
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3377 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Guy paid too much for that boat. |
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DayBreak
Joined: 16 Jul 2017 Posts: 851 City/Region: Monmouth, Or.
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2018
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: DayBreak
Photos: DayBreak
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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The C-Dory Venture series boat built at NMI offers the option to go with 100% high density foam fill (standard Venture) or a combo of foam fill and balsa (Venture Sport). We bought a Venture Sport.[/quote] _________________ Gary F
DayBreak, 23 Venture, 2018 - present |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20818 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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The boats which have the problem are mostly boats which have been subject to freeze thaw cycles, and left out of doors during the winter, un shrink wrapped.
Foam cores can and will delaminate under the same conditions as Balsa. Foam will also retain water, even though they are advertised as closed cell foam which will "not" retain water.
Any hole in a cored structure should be over drilled, undercut and thickened epoxy filled. Then a new pilot hole drilled and the fastening re-bedded and applied. For the "L" brackets holding the cabinets in place, the L bracket should be removed, the holes filled with epoxy and then the cabinets tabbed in place with a strip of 1708 or 2 layers of 6 oz glass and epoxy.
Agree that very few % wise, have issues. I bought a 25 with known issues in the cockpit floor--the purchase price reflected the issue. It was repaired better than new by removing that floor, and making a new one with Nadi Core hex cell as the substrate for new glass. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Home port: Pensacola FL |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1730 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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All boats with a wet core are not in a good place - no matter the core. Sure the composite ones don't rot, but they sure will delaminate and the end result is the same. I personally would rather deal with wood cores, but that's probably just because that is more in my wheelhouse. Alloy boats can and do crack...more than you think. They all have issues - they key of course is buying one without issues and that is what a good survey does......hopefully. C-Dory makes a good boat - don't shy away because of one or two anecdotal problems with a handful of owners. |
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Thompson
Joined: 26 Jan 2022 Posts: 5 City/Region: Kingston
State or Province: ON
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'd heard of the incredible reputation of this C-Brat's site, but am truly impressed by the quality of posters and their wealth of knowledge. This has to be one of the best boating forums out there! So glad I stumbled upon it. |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
Photos: SleepyC
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Thompson, We're glad too. The more folks we have the more the knowledge breadth and depth is increased. Everyone has different history, experience and abilities, but we all love the same "cute" little boats.
Harvey
SleepyC
It's in there, just little.
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johnr
Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 308 City/Region: Bellingham
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Photos: Surf Scoter
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I opened this thread thinking that it was going to be a discussion about the quality of members who have recently joined c-brats. I was disappointed to find that, instead, it was a discussion, started by a new member, about the quality of c-dorys. There was no discussion at all about new members and their various crimes against humanity, earth and God. |
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Salmon Fisher
Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 810 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Kim Christine
Photos: Kim Christine
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I thought the same.
Gotta keep the quality of new members up or else... _________________ Patrick and Kim Walker
2004 25 Cruiser-Present
2000 22 Cruiser 2009-2014 (Sold)
2006 25 Cruiser 2014-2019 (Sold)
1985 22 Classic -2019 (Sold)
1991 19 Arima Sea Ranger-2019-2021 (Sold)
2015 27 Ranger Tug-2019-2023 (Sold)
1987 22 Cruiser -2021-2023 (Sold)
Honey, this REALLY will be my last boat, honest! |
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Thompson
Joined: 26 Jan 2022 Posts: 5 City/Region: Kingston
State or Province: ON
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:57 am Post subject: |
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johnr, so sorry you’re disappointed that we weren’t dealing with quality issues of new members. Hopefully no one new has any rotten core issues. 🙂👍 |
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