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zuunami



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:58 pm    Post subject: Best kicker for 16' cruiser? Reply with quote

We're in negotiations to buy a 16' cruiser, and the seller may want to keep the kicker. Any thoughts on the minimum/perfect horse power kicker for a 16' that will be used on the Pacific Ocean? Not going out far, just offshore (always in sight of land Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.tohatsu.com/marine/na/outboards/6_4st_1.html

I owned a Tohatsu 6 hp motor (non sail pro model) and found it to be a great motor. The motor has a through the prop exhaust and only weights 55 lbs. I think this would be a great kicker for a 16 ft. C-Dory. I would suggest that you get the 6 in. pitch prop.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some folks can tolerate the vibration and shaking of a single cylinder, some can't. I would look for a 8 hp yamaha (hard to find) or a 8 hp honda ,
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:18 pm    Post subject: Kicker motors for 16' Reply with quote

There was a 6hp Evinrude On Pocket Yacht when I bought her and though it doesn't make her any speed demon, it's more than adequate.

If I were to start from scratch with what I know now:

1. I would make sure both engines used the same type of fuel.
2. I wouldn't go less than 6 hp.
3. I would mount the kicker opposite the helm station for balance.
4. I would make sure my steering connection between the motors was
readily accessible from the cockpit. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:07 pm    Post subject: How would I know?? Reply with quote

Not much difference between a 10 hp and a 20 hp when it comes to weight on the back of the boat. Where you see the jump is from a lightweight 6 hp on a small manual lifting bracket with no power trim/tilt to a 10 hp or more on a four stroke safe bracket with powered jack plate with wheel steering and controls, power trim/tilt, battery start/starter, and all the rest. Wish we could buy the old 2 strokes from Yamaha, they had the grunt but were very light. Hope this turns out well for your.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks everyone! I think the buyer's decided to give up the kicker, so at this point we think we'll stay with that until we know what we want. Don't really want to deal with deciding on a new kicker/bracket, etc. with all of the other things we have to learn as new boat owners with boating experience wayyy in the past Smile The current kicker is a Lehr 9.9 propane - not excited about two fuel sources, Lehr is out of business, and haven't seen good reviews on it online, but there's just too many other things to focus on right now Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're thinking of staying with propane for the kicker - we didn't think we'd like two fuel sources, but we've found a nice squatty 10# propane tank, and like the idea of less fumes when going slowly on the river. Not to mention never needing to de-gas, etc. Now we need to decide between a short shaft and long shaft, and whether we should go with a Tohatsu 5HP or a Mercury (our main motor is a Merc). I kind of like the idea of the white Tohatsu, but it may be blindingly white compared to the boat Smile Anyone have any thoughts on the two brands? I haven't really researched this yet, but it's possible that Tohatsu makes the Mercury Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's my impression that the smaller mercuries and tohatsus are the same, with some cosmetics.

Also, usually the 8 and 10 hp are the same block weight and size,but with a larger carb for the 10. I know tohatsu does that.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris,
Tohatsu makes a lot of outboards. They re-label the small ones for Mercury and all previous Nissan and Evinrude (4 strokes). There is absolutely no difference. One line of small outboards that fits a lot of needs, is the 4, 5 and 6 hp. They make them in short, long and extra long shaft. The only difference between the 4, 5 and 6 is the carburetor. They also make this engine in a high thrust version. This is still the same outboard, but with a high thrust prop and a charging connection. The prop and the charging system can both be purchased and added to any of them. The high thrust prop, would be best for pushing a C-Dory at hull speed. I use a 6hp Mercury (Tohatsu), to push my 24' Corsair trimaran sailboat. I replaced the standard prop with a high thrust prop and pushes the boat at hull speed at about 1/3 throttle. The standard prop required 3/4 throttle to achieve the same speed.
The best part of this is that you can buy parts for any of them, under the Tohatsu label and pay less, then buying the same part with Mercury or Evinrude labels on them. You can look any of this stuff up on www.boats.net.
PS, Honda sells their mid range and large outboards under the Honda and the Tohasu (rebadged) names.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, do you think the difference in the standard and high thrust prop would be the same on the propane Tohatsu or Mercury motors, and would there be any benefit or drawbacks to a high thrust prop on a 16' cruiser? thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The standard prop is designed for a lightweight skiff. Your boat will not plane with this outboard, regardless of the prop. The high thrust prop on your boat for displacement speeds, will be a game changer. Less rpm, less fuel and less noise at much less throttle.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The kicker's only going to be used as an emergency "get me home" from one to two miles out in the ocean, then when we want to slowly cruise up and down the Noyo river for photography. Less noise would be nice. So will a high thrust prop really make a difference in those scenarios? thanks again!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The standard prop is designed for a lightweight skiff. Your boat will not plane with this outboard, regardless of the prop. The high thrust prop on your boat for displacement speeds, will be a game changer. Less rpm, less fuel and less noise at much less throttle.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zuunami wrote:
Less noise would be nice.

Consider an electric kicker...maybe a Torqeedo 1103...only prop wash and the sound of water hitting the hull.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Torqeedo does have some more motor noise-so it is more than just wake, water splash--more of high to mid pitched whine.

We found Max speed with the older 1103 to be 2.5 knots with my Caracal 18--both heavier and longer LWL than 16' C Dory. I would expect somewhere in the 3 knot speed for a 16. The problem is the range. With the 16 certainly 5 to 8 miles would be do-able. At slower speed (2 knots) then the range would more than double. A 3.5 hp Merc 2 stroke, will give slightly more speed and of Course almost unlimited range on any of these boats--with the lowest pitch prop available. The newer 1103, has a bit more power and larger batteries, so it might go slightly faster, and with maybe a mile or so more range.

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