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Smitty.io
Joined: 05 Sep 2021
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City/Region: Santa Cruz
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1982
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
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| Quote: | I find two references of Japanese fishing vessels in the Sea of Cortez: 1940, John Steinbeck's "log of the Sea of Cortez" and a 5 year treaty 1968 thru 1972 for long liners. Neither of these would have affected a C Dory. None of these would have involved dodging Japanese fishing vessels. There are many areas of the World where trolling and trawling by fishing vessels creates a hazard, especially at night and in fog or other limited visibility conditions.
I have made a dozen trips up and down the coast of Mexico, and half a dozen trips to San Francisco and some beyond. These span the period from 1963 thru 1996.
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Pat didn’t see any Japanese fishing boats, it’s lore that I heard when I was down there sailing.
| Quote: | I would certainly want to see documentation of a 22' C Dory doing that run. I am not saying it is impossible, but pretty unlikely. Is there any write up or documentation of this? Trailering--yes, certainly. (That is not without its potential issues.).
The official distance between Cabo and San Diego is 880 nautical miles according to distance between ports. Most realistically count it as between 950 to 1000 nautical miles. Fuel is usually available only at Enseneda, Turtle Bay, and Magdalena Bay. There are other places where fuel might be carried thru the surf in jerry cans--but it would be difficult.
There is a C Dory 26 which has gone from San Francisco Bay to Catalina Island and back at least 4 times. As I recollect the last trip North took over a month because of adverse weather.
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I’ll ask Pat about the log. The one on the boat was powder in a drawer. Regarding the gas and range, he had a custom 100gal. tank installed so the distances are doable, and he was crazy and adventurous enough to take several months off to go on a trip like this in the 90s.
I’m very familiar with our West coastal North and South voyages. I’ve made it from SF to Santa Cruz in 5 hours on a sailboat, and have spent the long night motoring to SF from Santa Cruz. I think a month going from San Diego is typical with any weather. 🤣
I’ll be trailering down 101 and then heading out to Catalina, Santa Cruz, etc… and back to 101 for now. Could be Pat trailered it to Mexico, something I would never do right now without an escort. Even on the water, much different then your trips in the 90s. can’t wait to hear about them.
I’ve never drove in to Mexico, it’s something that seems Verboten. I have a secret spot to go to if I felt I could make it there safe. Any recommendations?
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
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City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I’m very familiar with our West coastal North and South voyages. I’ve made it from SF to Santa Cruz in 5 hours on a sailboat, |
That must be some sailboat. From the Sea Buoy San Francisco to Santa Cruz harbor is 75 miles. 75 miles in 5 hours equals 15 mph. I have sailed some of the fastest ultra lights in the 50 foot range, and that speed with a full racing crew would be very unusual even in ideal wind conditions.
| Quote: | | I’ll be trailering down 101 and then heading out to Catalina, Santa Cruz, etc… |
You may want to distinguish between Santa Cruz the City/harbor, and Santa Cruz the Island in So. Calif. Santa Cruz Island is one of the Channel Islands off Santa Barbara/Ventura coast for those who do not know the West Coast. It is about 320 miles from San Francisco Sea Buoy to Santa Cruz Island. To Catalina Island is over 400 miles.
The "Barrier" between S. Calif and Central Calif. Coast, is Point Conception and Port Arguello. It is not unusual to see winds of 40 to 50 knots in this area. We took any new voyaging sailboat up there and sailed for a couple of days in those conditions to see if there were any defects or anything broke. Far better there than half way across an ocean. I know of good sailors, with very well proven blue water boats who have tried for as much as a month to find a smooth opening thru this area. I have seen it calm only once--that was during a mild Santa Anna condition. (Off shore Katabatic winds.).
I have only gone up and down the coast in 30 to 62 foot sailboats. Most had Diesel engines and fuel tanks for at least 1000 mile range. Cruising speed under power was 7 to 8 knots. Some times we have been reduced to 5 mph across the bottom due to wind and sea conditions. Those conditions would not be tolerable in a C Dory.
Cabo San Lucas Mexico has become both a party spot, as well as some of the bad things that Mexico can bring, with drug use etc. The last time we were thru there, we arrived off Cabo (Straight from Long Beach) at about 10 pm. Even 2 miles off the coast we could hear the music from the night clubs. We just kept on going to La Paz...
There are many Americans still safely cruising Mexico, as well as many expatriates who live there full time. The Mexican people don't want to kill that goose who brings the golden eggs (in the form of tourism). Members of my family and extended family have gone to Mexico in the last few years safely. There are places you don't go in the US at night etc--same in many other parts of the World.
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Smitty.io
Joined: 05 Sep 2021
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City/Region: Santa Cruz
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1982
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
Photos: Smitty.io
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, it was on a Antrim Trimaran, we hit 24 knots! |
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thataway
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City/Region: Pensacola
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C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Smitty.io wrote: | | Yep, it was on a Antrim Trimaran, we hit 24 knots! |
Impressive.
Which one? Were you the owner? |
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Smitty.io
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City/Region: Santa Cruz
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C-Dory Year: 1982
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| It’s the Antrim 30+. It’s one of my fishing buddy’s boats. Fishing on his 17ft. Radon actually led me to the C-Dory. |
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Smitty.io
Joined: 05 Sep 2021
Posts: 15
City/Region: Santa Cruz
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1982
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
Photos: Smitty.io
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Bob, you are right on point, 90hp is plenty. I’m not running with a 100gal, but plenty of power. Anything more could be dangerous. I’m ditching the 15hp kicker and looking at a 3-5hp for trolling. |
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