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localboy
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colbysmith
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Localboy, your facts and sources are usually laughable at best. The truth remains the current administration is not pushing for or allowing free flow immigration at the border, immigrants are not responsible for the spike in COVID numbers in the republican controlled colonies of Texas and Florida and Ill stick with my earlier comments regarding any other rediculous bs being sputtered by the republicans that isnt based in real facts. |
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krc
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:12 pm Post subject: Certainly... |
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This admin is much friendlier toward accepting immigration. I don't think anyone can seriously dispute that. And not sending those migrants back while waiting for adjudication of their case encourages more migrants to come. Invasion? Depends on your point of view. Huge impact at the border but those of us in WI and WA can just sit back and not worry - right? This admin has ENCOURAGED the migration to the US because of the view that we need cheap labor, these people are better off in the US, it is our moral duty to save the world, etc... I don't see why there is any denial that this admin sees immigration as a benefit and refuses to acknowledge impact to the poor labor communities, POC, and stress on local resources close to the border.
When overwhelmed, admin tried to say "stop coming" - but that was too late. They even reallocated government managers across different agencies to deal with the crisis and moved migrants to the interior. You can look at the messaging post-election ... But any searches show the same....
https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/article251211114.html
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/22/959664319/asylum-seekers-hope-bidens-pledge-to-welcome-immigrants-includes-them
As to the notion that blue states are worse than red states for covid, that is difficult to assess. In fact, highest per capital DEATHS are all in solid blue states - NY/NJ in particular. So it depends what you want to measure... Of course, most of the deaths there were early in the pandemic and some fatal mistakes were made.
CA is not much better overall than Tx or FL. They are very similar demographics/sizes with vastly different responses to covid (lockdowns, masks, etc...) Of course, we have made covid a political weapon so now media doesn't care so much about per capita death rates by states (since the "wrong" states would be implicated), but now focus on hospital rates or covid positivity testing. Odd of course... Or you simply look at the "latest" trend (NYT's specialty).
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/coronavirus-data/covid-death-rate
https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/cumulative-covid-19-cases-and-deaths/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22COVID-19%20Deaths%20per%201,000,000%20Population%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D
Cuomo may be gone because of the sex harassment issue - but really he lost the trust of the party with his covid response which was less than stellar, and I think the real reason he resigned (the sex case was just the excuse to get him out).
Simply look at the headline changes even for Biden - he knows this was a disaster.
Our immigration policy is made up on the fly (due to both parties) and much different than any other country in the world. If we look to the North, it is very difficult to immigrate into Cananda unless you have money and can be self supporting, or if you can start up a business, etc...
Biden administration to resume fast-track deportation procedurehttps://www.cnn.com 2021/07/26 politics us-border-...
Jul 26, 2021 The Biden administration is planning to speed up deportations for some migrant families who cross the US-Mexico border, the Department of ...
Biden administration pauses deportations, suspends - The ...https://www.texastribune.org 2021/01/20 biden-rem...
Jan 20, 2021 The changes come on President Joe Biden's first day in office. He also signed executive orders rolling back additional Trump-era immigration ...
Biden to bring in asylum seekers forced to wait in Mexico ...https://www.reuters.com article biden-to-bring-in-as...
Feb 12, 2021 The moves are part of a plan by the administration of President Joe Biden to end the program, known as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), ... |
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dotnmarty
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I have read all the battling "facts' above. Some where along my life's journey I picked up some guiding principles. Obviously they are not original with me. Perhaps true and perhaps mythology, but they work for me. Here..
1. Feed the hungry
2. Care for the sick
3. Welcome the stranger
If anyone knows the origin I would appreciate your passing it on.
Thanks _________________ MartyP
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smckean (Tosca)
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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localboy wrote: | Definition of free-flowing = characterized by easy freedom in movement left unchecked |
OK, great. Now we're getting somewhere . So allow me to take your definition and substitute it for the phrase "free-flowing" in the sentence you have claimed is fact. So do you maintain as fact that:
Quote: | ".....US promotes the easy freedom in movement left unchecked of illegal immigrants on our southern border, many of which carry the COVID virus" |
Mark, do you really believe as fact that the migration across our southern border is best characterized as being left unchecked? Seems to me there are lots of checks in place: ICE, Border Patrol; detention centers; drones; infrared cameras, even walls and barbed wire. Does that strike you as "freedom in movement" that is completely "unchecked". Facts are facts.....there isn't really any almost-facts. _________________ Sandy McKean
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