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C-Green



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would assume that as long as the pee stream is good passages are not blocked.


The problem is you need to start the engine to have a pee stream. If the channels are blocked by ice by the time you determine you don't have a stream it may be too late to prevent a damaged impellor.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow this is crazy, California definitely has its downsides but I can't imagine how much more work you guys have in the cold.
Colby: that picture says it all, I assume that you have work obligations that keep you up north, Mexico is full of cruisers from snow country "snowbirds" in the winter.
I am a bit surprised at the lack of interest on our offer to facilitate some buddy boats on a trip down the Sea of Cortez on their C-dorys. We have explored the are many times on other boats and despite the negative coverage, Mexico in Baja is as safe as anywhere else, and warm but not hot in winter and a great C-dory cruising area like the PNW. Thousands of fishermen trail their boats down every year.
Anyway if the Creeks don't rise I will put up some pictures of blue sky, white beach, clear water island anchorages for you all to keep you warm!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brother has begun doing this yearly. He joins a large group of blow-boaters called "The Baja Ha Ha"... He jumps on friend's boats. I told him it sounds terrible. Wink But he is retired and single, with no commitments anywhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dana's daughter has done the Baja Ha Ha several times once on her own boat, they set up some great beach parties on the way down, usually almost 200 boats every year, a great number from the PNW. They head out this week and the weather looks great down to Cabo. When we first sailed down we went by ourselves a month later and were chased south by the first winter systems.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Localboy, I used to live in Machias and regularly drove by the Pilchuck yacht club 😂. Is it still there? Will definitely put an oil space heater on board, cover the cockpit, and will keep an eye on things closely if the weather turns. The Sheriff keeps a boat next to where I am currently moored, and they leave their outboards down and the boat ready to roll all winter (Aluminum hull with “Alaskan” bulkhead and twin behemoth motors).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Micah: Ignorance is bliss! I can't stand the snow and cold. Lol
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

South of Heaven wrote:
I can't stand the snow and cold. Lol


Me either...less than three years now, and we are outta here! Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnowTexan wrote:
Localboy, I used to live in Machias and regularly drove by the Pilchuck yacht club 😂. Is it still there?


Never been. But my wife’s family has. Last I heard it was closing if no one bought It.

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/for-749000-docs-pilchuck-tavern-can-be-yours/
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does get cold here and, after our fresh water thickens, it freezes.

Over the years, here in Michigan I have witnessed boats wintering in their slips
listing badly from uneven accumulation of snow and ice, poor element coverage
resulting in torn plastic and canvas, unattended bilge pumps sputtering, heavily
laden vessels with their waterlines submerged and boats sunk in their slip.
Somehow, some do OK.

I have to believe, as bad as salt is for boats in salt water, freezing fresh water,
snow and ice for a boat over the winter like hereabouts is worse. Salt water
prepping for use is rather straight forward. Prepping for winter storage in fresh
water is not. Especially for first timers. Chances are, the first time, maybe more,
you'll miss something crucial and suffer consequences.

What does your insurance company say about this?

The above plus more severe weather patterns and required, or advised, diligence
make the idea revolting for someone who professes to care about their boat.

Aye.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear you on the necessary diligence and higher risk vs salt water running, and have not made my decision yet on wether to stay in the slip past November. I am leaning towards risking it but it may come down to My personal schedule. I want to run up lake with my snowshoes and ice axe and approach some higher elevations from a rarely seen route in winter, but if that longer trip is not doable this year then it’s likely not worth wintering over on the water past November. Sunny days with the kids would be nice but they probably would rather stay in the valley and sled! As far as my insurance is concerned, I carry it only out of necessity of living in a world of lawyers and litigation. If my boat sinks due to my own negligence I only hope that nobody was hurt and the exploit was Legendary. I keep my tools in a bucket, my boots in a pile, and my vehicles look rode hard and put away wet. Others may lose sleep over this sort of treatment of things, but there are no museum pieces in my life. If the tool is not up to the task, then so be it. But if it is, I am interested in how to keep it functioning optimally in the harshest conditions. A bit of torn canvas tarp and plastic is certainly no deterrent. A frozen block or cracks at a through hull fitting are another story. Sinking in a marina or destroying a motor is not the desired outcome but I am of an entirely different disposition regarding what is revolting in this world. Some wear and tear might mean somebody had some fun, saw something unique, went somewhere difficult, had an adventure worth having. And if they didn’t and their boat looks like hell, well then it was theirs to destroy I suppose. Just trying to avoid destroying mine but squeeze the most out of this short life.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, your boat and you get to make the decisions. The down-side I see isn't lack of preparation on your part, but Mother Nature's potential harshness. As I recall, Washington State had a colder and wetter winter than usual last year.

At our home in the Tropical Tip of Texas, October was nearly 10º warmer than "usual"... except for the 3 northers that blew in already. We typically don't see those until late November/early December.

Seems that much of the country is experiencing regular non-typical (is that an oxymoron?) weather. An extended period of cold and snow can be an issue for the boat if you aren't right there to keep an eye on it.

Good luck with the decisions.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand loving the North - not so much about owning a boat that's
considered a throwaway, tho' some may consider the CD 22 'one of those'.

Taking on a challenge is also understandable, maybe even enviable. There
is such a thing as being too cavalier, vacuous or maverick that can result in
one "going' South" while doing' your thang in the North.

Aye.

Grandpa, an old Navy man, used to say, "The sea simply waits for the innocent
and actually stalks the foolish, the unprepared and the arrogant."
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it by some of the responses here that the idea of leaving a boat in the water in winter is similar to tossing a stick of dynamite in the bilge and driving away. If I felt my boat was a throwaway, certainly I would just blow it up in the driveway and save myself the mooring fees. I am not, however, in the throwaway boat tax bracket and I assure you your warnings are appreciated. I know they come from witnessing first-hand the result of poor planning and harsh conditions.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doing your research, homework, and preperation are part of the boating experience. Tapping the resource here is part of that, and there is a plethora of intelligent experience here with experience in all ranges of temperature and weather conditions from across the continent.

It looks like you are doing your share of the research and homework, and the preperation. Being able to monitor the vessel and conditions could bring some piece of mind. Having a good (boat) neighbor will be helpful. Pushing the envelope intelligently in order to have some unique boating experience is admirable. All the best. Go forward in steps. Enjoy.

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https://kozi.com/boat-sinks-to-the-bottom-of-lake-chelan/

I’m just gonna park this here humbly and not over-comment; thereby jinxing myself. We’re still floating and enjoying snowy rides around the lower half of the lake. I will attempt to find out who owns this boat and see where exactly the failure occurred. We have had temps down to 4f and snow loads between 9-12 inches. canvas tarp over the cockpit on a pvc frame, rv antifreeze in the bilge, motors down, oil filled radiant electric heater in the cabin and a fan circulating from the berth. So far the interior is bone dry and the Honda 40’s fire up on queue.

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