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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7911 City/Region: marysville
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1984
C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser
Vessel Name: to be decided later
Photos: Susan E
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4673 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
Photos: 'AU KAI
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Saw it yesterday. Yachts don’t just accelerate by themselves. Faulty electronic controls? _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
Wife to her husband pointing @ us...from the bow of their 50-footer; Prideaux Haven 2013 |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7911 City/Region: marysville
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1984
C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser
Vessel Name: to be decided later
Photos: Susan E
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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some one leaned on a rail while the docking remote was in their pocket?? |
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NORO LIM
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 881 City/Region: Olympia
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: NORO LIM (sold 12/12/14)
Photos: NORO LIM
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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starcrafttom wrote: | some one leaned on a rail while the docking remote was in their pocket?? |
The equivalent of a common cellphone problem. It's an example of "Boat Dialing." _________________ Bill, Formerly on NORO LIM
2001 CD 16, 2001-2006
2006 CC 23, 2006-2014 |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21091 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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There is a recent article in one of the forums about failure of the electronic controls. It is more common that one would think. Low or high voltage is often an issue. The suggestion was that a separate regulated power supply be furnished for the electronic controls. Several of the posters had related that they had throttles go full ahead, that they were not able to shift to neutral. Not able to shift out of neutral etc...
A number of years back, a chartered yacht took out the fuel dock at Naimo --it was out of service for almost a year. Millions in damage. There was litigation involved against the owner, the charterer, the control manufacturer and the insurance company.
It also looks like a couple of scratches on the mega yacht! I feel badly for those boat owners whose boats were damaged. No telling how long it will take to get re-imbursement. Hopefully the there will be an "arrest" of the Westport yacht. There looks to be substantial damage to the marina.
Quote: | An arrest of a vessel is the prerequisite for the court to establish jurisdiction. If the vessel cannot be seized, the court may have no right over the vessel. Arrest is the physical process by which, in case of the United States, a U.S. Marshal goes aboard the vessel and \physically takes charge of it. |
_________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
KA6PKB
Home port: Pensacola FL |
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DayBreak
Joined: 16 Jul 2017 Posts: 890 City/Region: Monmouth, Or.
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2018
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: DayBreak
Photos: DayBreak
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Thanks for the post Tom. How sad. A new boat ready for delivery to it's new owner and now this! Insurance will cover all the losses but how sad for all the boats and the marina involved that are now inconvenienced while waiting on repairs. |
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3461 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | There is a recent article in one of the forums about failure of the electronic controls. It is more common that one would think. Low or high voltage is often an issue. The suggestion was that a separate regulated power supply be furnished for the electronic controls. Several of the posters had related that they had throttles go full ahead, that they were not able to shift to neutral. Not able to shift out of neutral etc...
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I would want a separate hardwired control circuit (i.e. a big red button) that can kill (immediately shutdown) the engines in an emergency without having to rely on some computer somewhere to do what you want. This should be a regulatory requirement.
Yes, suddenly killing a complex diesel powerplant might cause some problems with that unit. However, they are probably going to be less than the damage caused by a large out of control vessel plowing through a marina. Especially if some person gets killed or injured by the runaway vessel. |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1546 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Folks, let's think bigger than what can happen with advances in technology than
only on our small combustion propelled refuges on the water.
With all our existing, developing and soon to be released magnificent scientific
marvels, we advanced bipeds appear to be a true dichotomy. Can we handle
these advances without putting ourselves back into the pre-enlightenment
times of Thomas Hobbs (circa 1600 ad) where mankind's life was "solitary, poor,
nasty, brutish and short", or worse?
Endeavor to use our higher faculties (aka cerebral cortex) in decision making vs
our emotional ancient midbrains. The problem, as I see it, is the former takes
some effort, work, ...
Aye.
Someone said, "We have seen the enemy and it is us." _________________ Keep an open mind just enough to not let your brain fall out. |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
Photos: SleepyC
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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WOW. If we are lucky, one of our favorite "admin" guys keeps his Nordic about right in the center of where that 125 parked after the errant excursion, and he had it off to other docks for some service type work. WHEEUUU! I do so hope!!
Harvey
SleepyC
_________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7911 City/Region: marysville
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1984
C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser
Vessel Name: to be decided later
Photos: Susan E
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21091 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:47 am Post subject: |
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This backing into "Cay" with no space, is not that unusual in the Med. Try it with a 62 foot sailboat, single engine, no thruster... Never got a scratch, (I cannot say that for the C Dory, but scratches buff out). The use of a larger inflatable is also not that unusual (if one is available). But the bow thrusters on these larger yachts can be 50 hp or more. |
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BillE
Joined: 09 Jun 2016 Posts: 283 City/Region: Nashville
State or Province: TN
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: TBD
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, that video shows the yacht* was not just idling, it was accelerating. Lucky nobody was killed by that monster.
*I know that there is sometimes discussions over just what is a "boat" and what is a "yacht. THAT was a YACHT! _________________ Bill & Sherry C-25 sold 2020, next? |
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DayBreak
Joined: 16 Jul 2017 Posts: 890 City/Region: Monmouth, Or.
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2018
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: DayBreak
Photos: DayBreak
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Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Tom for now the video. That vessel is of considerable mass and striking volume. Yes, glad nobody was hurt. Who knows why this took place but with a vessel of that size and all the electronics and computer technology involved it was possible to happen with this mishap and it did. To credit the staff employed on this vessel, it appears that a kill switch of some sort or a technology was employed to slow the vessel before and after the impact of all the involved. The damage could have been much worse. This makes me appreciate the smallness and simplicity of our C-Dory boats. Gary. |
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