The C-Brats Forum Index
HomeForumsMy TopicsCalendarEvent SignupsMemberlistOur C-DorysThe Brat MapPhotos

C-Dory 26 Venture vs. Lakes Michigan and Huron
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The C-Brats Forum Index -> General Chat
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
dgeorges



Joined: 04 Sep 2013
Posts: 182
City/Region: Highlands Ranch
State or Province: CO
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: FRESH FISH
Photos: FRESH FISH
PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HARDEE: The great lakes water is sooooooooo different than the ocean, the gulf, or a smaller lake. Having boated out in the Pacific for many years chasing salmon and rockfish, most swells are predictable. The great lakes water is totally unpredictable. I've been in wave events that beat me up for a few hundred meters, and then flatten completely out for a few hundred and then go back to high waves again. Crazy. You gotta stay focused.
_________________
"Ain't no nookie like Chinookie"---Ray Troll

CD 22 Cruiser "FRESH FISH: 2018 to present.
CD 16 Angler "OPA": 2013 to 2019.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
Foggy



Joined: 01 Aug 2013
Posts: 1518
City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the top of my head, a few reasons the Great Lakes are soooo different
than coastal ocean cruising include

* No salt - this means about 15% more $$$ when you sell your boat and also
"square waves" (or no swells like ocean waves). The different density of the
water creates a shorter wave period (distance between wave crests).

* Lake Michigan has been dubbed "The lake of 1,000 moods" and for good
reason - it's strewn with shipwrecks and notorious for sudden severe storm
conditions.

* Above is why Skipper Bob doesn't publish a guide here or suggest these lakes
are suitable for the average cruiser.

* Cold water - this speaks for itself, or should. Lake Superior is known as
"the largest, deepest, clearest, coldest freshwater lake in the world."

* No tides to speak of. No seals, walrus, penguin or sharks. But we do have
salmon and many tasty others..

Aye.
Grandpa used to say, "Vive la difference."

_________________
"I don't want any cake" - said no one ever.
If someone tells you they don't eat cake, unfriend them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ssobol



Joined: 27 Oct 2012
Posts: 3362
City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foggy wrote:
...
* Cold water - this speaks for itself, or should. Lake Superior is known as
"the largest, deepest, clearest, coldest freshwater lake in the world."
...


I believe that Lake Baikal in Russia beats this. The shoreline of Lake Superior may be a bit longer though. Lake Baikal contains more water than all the Great Lakes combined.

https://lakebaikal.org/lake-baikal-facts/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Foggy



Joined: 01 Aug 2013
Posts: 1518
City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it would seem you are correct.
That Siberian lake is the
Largest - yup
Deepest - OK
Freshwater - you betcha
Cleanest - seems so
Coldest - not stated, so Lake Superior may
still be the winner with an average
water temperature of 40*F ...

Aye.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Marco Flamingo



Joined: 09 Jul 2015
Posts: 1154
City/Region: Seattle
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Limpet
Photos: Limpet
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always found claims about the Great Lakes being extra-treacherous boating waters to be kind of funny. Like claiming that Virginia has wilderness or Tennessee has mountains. If you can walk out of the "wilderness" in two days, it ain't wilderness. If you can climb the "mountain" without crampons, it ain't a mountain.

I've been in huge waves on Lake Superior. If there had been tidal changes, narrows, and reefs, it would have been scary. But there's no lake that has "Roaring Hole Rapids" or the Skookumchuck Narrows ("strong water" in chinook jargon). Skookumchuck will ebb at 12 knots today. There will be nasty waves and I guarantee that it will be every bit as scary as anything that can happen on a lake. The difference is that Skookumchuck does it twice a day.

Fresh or salt, it drowns the same. And on that note, Happy New Year!!

Mark
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
ssobol



Joined: 27 Oct 2012
Posts: 3362
City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marco Flamingo wrote:
.. If you can climb the "mountain" without crampons, it ain't a mountain.
...


You can drive to the summit of Pike's Peak. At 14K+ feet almost anybody would call it a mountain.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
thataway



Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 20779
City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Above is why Skipper Bob doesn't publish a guide here or suggest these lakes
are suitable for the average cruiser.


Skipper Bob and his wife Elaine published the guide: " Skipper Bob Great Lakes & Chicago to Mobile Guides". where the harbors and anchorages of Lakes Ontario
Ontario, Erie and Michigan are presented along the route of the "Great Loop".

Skipper Bob was a friend of mine, and he did not particularly venture into Lake Superior--but it was not because he did not find it suitable. Before his premature death, he tried to revisit as much of the area covered by his publications at least every other year.

_________________
Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
KA6PKB
Home port: Pensacola FL
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Robert H. Wilkinson



Joined: 26 Jan 2011
Posts: 1231
City/Region: Port Ryerse
State or Province: ON
Vessel Name: Romakeme IV
Photos: Romakeme IV
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Marco Flamingo
Fresh or salt, it drowns the same. And on that note, Happy New Year!!
Mark[/quote]

No experience salt water boating myself but I did have the pleasure of knowing Derek Hatfield - Spirit Of Canada - Open 60. He was the first Canadian to sail singlehanded around the world twice. Placing 3'rd in the Velux 5 Oceans Race 2011. I remember him recounting stories of encountering waves estimated at 80' green with another 20' white on top (Rounding Cape Horn.) During the winter Derek often trained not far from me on Lake Ontario. He claimed that concurring conditions on Lake Ontario was good training for his Ocean voyages.

I enjoy attending Tall Ship Festivals every year. One time in Port Colborne I had the chance to talk with the Captain of a Tall Ship. He had sailed this ship extensively around the world - lakes and oceans. In all his years experience he told me the toughest conditions he had ever encountered anywhere was on Lake Erie.

Hey this ocean v/s lake debate is almost as much fun as the "Twins v/s Single/kicker" debate!!

Regards,

Rob

_________________
Talk to me and I will listen-- but if its not about boats or fishing all I will hear is bla,bla,bla,yada,yada,zzzzzzzz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Robert H. Wilkinson



Joined: 26 Jan 2011
Posts: 1231
City/Region: Port Ryerse
State or Province: ON
Vessel Name: Romakeme IV
Photos: Romakeme IV
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lighthouse beacon lost to 15' waves on Lake Michigan - https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/01/massive-waves-wash-historic-lighthouse-into-lake-michigan.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Foggy



Joined: 01 Aug 2013
Posts: 1518
City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote]
No experience salt water boating myself but I did have the pleasure of knowing Derek Hatfield - Spirit Of Canada - Open 60. He was the first Canadian to sail singlehanded around the world twice.SNIP
Hey this ocean v/s lake debate is almost as much fun as the "Twins v/s Single/kicker" debate!!
Regards,
Rob[/quote]

Yea, well, I met the skipper who wrote the cruising guide to Narragansett Bay
who circumnavigated solo twice on a Catalina 30. So what? There are those
out there cut from a different cloth and it simply doesn't matter to me. I don't
compare, ever.

That's why I like dogs. They don't complain when you call them another dog's
name.

Aye.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Foggy



Joined: 01 Aug 2013
Posts: 1518
City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert H. Wilkinson wrote:
Lighthouse beacon lost to 15' waves on Lake Michigan - https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/01/massive-waves-wash-historic-lighthouse-into-lake-michigan.html


Yea, well, Manitowoc, WI is on the calm side of Lake Michigan.
Like Skipper Bob said, "It's not a lake for the novice boater" (writer's license).

Aye.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Marco Flamingo



Joined: 09 Jul 2015
Posts: 1154
City/Region: Seattle
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Limpet
Photos: Limpet
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waves and lighthouses always reminds me of this set of pictures:

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/11/the-wave-swept-lighthouses-of-brittany.html

Coffee break is over!

The rule is don't build them so that a little 15 footer can take them out.

Mark
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
hardee



Joined: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 12632
City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
Photos: SleepyC
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then we have Terrible Tillie (Tillamook Head Light House) on the Oregon Coast here:

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_maps&hsimp=yhs-pty_maps&hspart=pty&p=tillamook+light+house+in+big+waves#id=2&vid=5d145e1c903d039d675856882c80c178&action=click

Be sure and see the note to the right of the video window. The top of that light house is 133 feet above the mean water line.

(Sure hope that link works.) It did.

Harvey
SleepyC Moon


_________________
Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Foggy



Joined: 01 Aug 2013
Posts: 1518
City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do I get the feeling we are, like, comparing private parts here,
with numbers and all?
(my wife says that's the best way to stop male arguements)

I do not compare (tho I could and, probably, be in the upper 10%, or so)...

Waves, their heights and destructive power are under Mother Nature's
control.

All we need to do is respect that and plan accordingly.

Aye.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
crowleykirk



Joined: 05 Jul 2019
Posts: 93
City/Region: Friday Harbor
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2020
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: C-Life
Photos: C-Life
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 am    Post subject: I’m a complete C-Dory fan boy... I’ll admit it.... Reply with quote

But my wife wanted to sea trial an Aspen CAT. We were looking used C90. $159,000 range. The one we wanted to look at was sold. Thought we’d be able to go in it. Instead Nick took us on a one year old C107. Basically the 32 with outboards. Ummmm.. hang on here... $400,000 and some change.

It was freakin amazing. My wife absolutely loved it. Of course. If.. and it’s a big if I had the funds I would go with the Aspen Cat without question.

That said... I really want a c-dory 25 or 26. Simple as that. Might be able to go new. No way on a new Aspen. What a dream boat for us. We all have “that” boat:-)

We’d be 100% in the PNW, day trips and long over nighters.

Good look in your search. Love to hear what your decision is.

And no, I probably won’t shut up for awhile about the Aspen.

_________________
Kirk Williams
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The C-Brats Forum Index -> General Chat All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Page 4 of 4

 
     Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum



Page generation time: 0.0985s (PHP: 83% - SQL: 17%) - SQL queries: 33 - GZIP disabled - Debug on