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dgeorges
Joined: 04 Sep 2013 Posts: 182 City/Region: Highlands Ranch
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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HARDEE: The great lakes water is sooooooooo different than the ocean, the gulf, or a smaller lake. Having boated out in the Pacific for many years chasing salmon and rockfish, most swells are predictable. The great lakes water is totally unpredictable. I've been in wave events that beat me up for a few hundred meters, and then flatten completely out for a few hundred and then go back to high waves again. Crazy. You gotta stay focused. _________________ "Ain't no nookie like Chinookie"---Ray Troll
CD 22 Cruiser "FRESH FISH: 2018 to present.
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1521 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Off the top of my head, a few reasons the Great Lakes are soooo different
than coastal ocean cruising include
* No salt - this means about 15% more $$$ when you sell your boat and also
"square waves" (or no swells like ocean waves). The different density of the
water creates a shorter wave period (distance between wave crests).
* Lake Michigan has been dubbed "The lake of 1,000 moods" and for good
reason - it's strewn with shipwrecks and notorious for sudden severe storm
conditions.
* Above is why Skipper Bob doesn't publish a guide here or suggest these lakes
are suitable for the average cruiser.
* Cold water - this speaks for itself, or should. Lake Superior is known as
"the largest, deepest, clearest, coldest freshwater lake in the world."
* No tides to speak of. No seals, walrus, penguin or sharks. But we do have
salmon and many tasty others..
Aye.
Grandpa used to say, "Vive la difference." _________________ "I don't want any cake" - said no one ever.
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3374 City/Region: SW Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Foggy wrote: | ...
* Cold water - this speaks for itself, or should. Lake Superior is known as
"the largest, deepest, clearest, coldest freshwater lake in the world."
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I believe that Lake Baikal in Russia beats this. The shoreline of Lake Superior may be a bit longer though. Lake Baikal contains more water than all the Great Lakes combined.
https://lakebaikal.org/lake-baikal-facts/ |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1521 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it would seem you are correct.
That Siberian lake is the
Largest - yup
Deepest - OK
Freshwater - you betcha
Cleanest - seems so
Coldest - not stated, so Lake Superior may
still be the winner with an average
water temperature of 40*F ...
Aye. |
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Marco Flamingo
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I always found claims about the Great Lakes being extra-treacherous boating waters to be kind of funny. Like claiming that Virginia has wilderness or Tennessee has mountains. If you can walk out of the "wilderness" in two days, it ain't wilderness. If you can climb the "mountain" without crampons, it ain't a mountain.
I've been in huge waves on Lake Superior. If there had been tidal changes, narrows, and reefs, it would have been scary. But there's no lake that has "Roaring Hole Rapids" or the Skookumchuck Narrows ("strong water" in chinook jargon). Skookumchuck will ebb at 12 knots today. There will be nasty waves and I guarantee that it will be every bit as scary as anything that can happen on a lake. The difference is that Skookumchuck does it twice a day.
Fresh or salt, it drowns the same. And on that note, Happy New Year!!
Mark |
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ssobol
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Marco Flamingo wrote: | .. If you can climb the "mountain" without crampons, it ain't a mountain.
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You can drive to the summit of Pike's Peak. At 14K+ feet almost anybody would call it a mountain. |
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thataway
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Above is why Skipper Bob doesn't publish a guide here or suggest these lakes
are suitable for the average cruiser. |
Skipper Bob and his wife Elaine published the guide: " Skipper Bob Great Lakes & Chicago to Mobile Guides". where the harbors and anchorages of Lakes Ontario
Ontario, Erie and Michigan are presented along the route of the "Great Loop".
Skipper Bob was a friend of mine, and he did not particularly venture into Lake Superior--but it was not because he did not find it suitable. Before his premature death, he tried to revisit as much of the area covered by his publications at least every other year. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
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Robert H. Wilkinson
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Marco Flamingo
Fresh or salt, it drowns the same. And on that note, Happy New Year!!
Mark[/quote]
No experience salt water boating myself but I did have the pleasure of knowing Derek Hatfield - Spirit Of Canada - Open 60. He was the first Canadian to sail singlehanded around the world twice. Placing 3'rd in the Velux 5 Oceans Race 2011. I remember him recounting stories of encountering waves estimated at 80' green with another 20' white on top (Rounding Cape Horn.) During the winter Derek often trained not far from me on Lake Ontario. He claimed that concurring conditions on Lake Ontario was good training for his Ocean voyages.
I enjoy attending Tall Ship Festivals every year. One time in Port Colborne I had the chance to talk with the Captain of a Tall Ship. He had sailed this ship extensively around the world - lakes and oceans. In all his years experience he told me the toughest conditions he had ever encountered anywhere was on Lake Erie.
Hey this ocean v/s lake debate is almost as much fun as the "Twins v/s Single/kicker" debate!!
Regards,
Rob _________________ Talk to me and I will listen-- but if its not about boats or fishing all I will hear is bla,bla,bla,yada,yada,zzzzzzzz |
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Robert H. Wilkinson
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Foggy
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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[/quote]
No experience salt water boating myself but I did have the pleasure of knowing Derek Hatfield - Spirit Of Canada - Open 60. He was the first Canadian to sail singlehanded around the world twice.SNIP
Hey this ocean v/s lake debate is almost as much fun as the "Twins v/s Single/kicker" debate!!
Regards,
Rob[/quote]
Yea, well, I met the skipper who wrote the cruising guide to Narragansett Bay
who circumnavigated solo twice on a Catalina 30. So what? There are those
out there cut from a different cloth and it simply doesn't matter to me. I don't
compare, ever.
That's why I like dogs. They don't complain when you call them another dog's
name.
Aye. |
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Foggy
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yea, well, Manitowoc, WI is on the calm side of Lake Michigan.
Like Skipper Bob said, "It's not a lake for the novice boater" (writer's license).
Aye. |
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Marco Flamingo
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hardee
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Foggy
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Why do I get the feeling we are, like, comparing private parts here,
with numbers and all?
(my wife says that's the best way to stop male arguements)
I do not compare (tho I could and, probably, be in the upper 10%, or so)...
Waves, their heights and destructive power are under Mother Nature's
control.
All we need to do is respect that and plan accordingly.
Aye. |
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crowleykirk
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 am Post subject: I’m a complete C-Dory fan boy... I’ll admit it.... |
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But my wife wanted to sea trial an Aspen CAT. We were looking used C90. $159,000 range. The one we wanted to look at was sold. Thought we’d be able to go in it. Instead Nick took us on a one year old C107. Basically the 32 with outboards. Ummmm.. hang on here... $400,000 and some change.
It was freakin amazing. My wife absolutely loved it. Of course. If.. and it’s a big if I had the funds I would go with the Aspen Cat without question.
That said... I really want a c-dory 25 or 26. Simple as that. Might be able to go new. No way on a new Aspen. What a dream boat for us. We all have “that” boat:-)
We’d be 100% in the PNW, day trips and long over nighters.
Good look in your search. Love to hear what your decision is.
And no, I probably won’t shut up for awhile about the Aspen. _________________ Kirk Williams |
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