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Avidmagnum12
Joined: 23 Mar 2013 Posts: 673 City/Region: Ocklawaha
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2011
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Otter
Photos: C-Otter
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:13 pm Post subject: Keeping the bilge dry.... |
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I was at the boat show in St. Petersburg Florida and they were demonstrating this product.
http://aridbilge.com
I also found this alternative.
http://www.drybilgesystem.com
Not cheep but the aridbilge was impressive. It’s difficult to keep the bilge dry on a CD-25 without changing the hatches.
I guess I’ll have to stick to the wet vacuum for now.😢 _________________ Tom and Joyce Schulke
2011 CD 25 "C-Otter" 07/2015 to present
2011 CD 25 "My Girl" 06/2015 renamed C-Otter
2004 CD 22 Commuter "Out2C" 03/10 to 06/15 |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1521 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:21 am Post subject: |
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A dry bilge (especially during long term storage) rates right up there
with having dry pants. Ignoring this leads to de-lamination of wood
flooring and paneling with mold production in the former and a nasty
fungal or yeast infection (candida) in the latter. Both are painful and
stinky. One sooner. One later.
The nautical prophylaxis is to remove any and all standing water from
the bilge however required (save upside down storage). Wet-Vac, absorptives,
fans, opening hatches, ports or hull plugs coupled with periodic inspection
may suffice. My experience (with both above conditions) is that high tech or
expensive gadgets are not required.
Aye. _________________ "I don't want any cake" - said no one ever.
If someone tells you they don't eat cake, unfriend them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life. |
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AstoriaDave
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 994 City/Region: Astoria
State or Province: OR
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Foggy speaks big wisdom.
I have a severe sensitivity to mold spores, yet we are able to sleep in the small cuddy of our 20 ft Bartender, unaffected, because of aggressive cleaning of the bilge. Ours is a dry sailed boat, stored in a dry boat shed, which also helps a lot. _________________ Dave Kruger
Astoria, OR |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20829 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Tom, I suspect you asked some questions--such as how much power draw--and how often the unit cycles on and off for the Arid bilge?
It's manual and descriptions are a little vague as to how it works--if there is a sensor--or if the pump just comes on with a timer. Not sure I understand the hocus pocus about the several chambers--except oil water separation?
It apparently the Arid unit requires that the box be installed outside of the bilge--and needs a fair amount of clearance.--not sure where I would mount it--but perhaps under the splash well--which is pretty well filled up with various storage and battery items.
The Dry Bilge system, does use a sensor--and the draw is very low--about 720 milli amps a day ( or 21 amps a month--so there has to be some way of charging the batteries. A little hooky about the one strand wire... that you have to co-mingle with multi strand wires to get a good connection.... That is troubling--and you would have to be certain to use a connector with very good glue and sealing properties. Also the small discharge hose--and micro pump--plus the electronics--I would wonder how those hold up over the long run--$400 is a lot for what is there--I suspect that is a huge development cost mark up. But that is what our capitalist system is about. Developing the sensor and electronics take some time and experiments. It sounds like something I would be interested in--if it were half the price. Unfortunately in Florida---we have the mold, spores etc without standing bilge water--it is the nature of the humid environment. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Home port: Pensacola FL |
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South of Heaven
Joined: 15 Aug 2015 Posts: 1459 City/Region: Sharon
State or Province: MA
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think changing the gaskets and/or the hatch would be the first thing to do. My 25 leaked a lot through those hatches in the aft part of the cockpit. _________________ <><><> Jason <><><>
2005 Silverton 35 Motoryacht (Twin 385 Crusaders) (SOLD 6/20)
2000 Camano 31 Troll (Volvo TAMD41p) (SOLD 2/19)
2007 C Dory 25' Cruiser (200 hp Suzuki, sold 7/17)
2003 C Dory 19' Angler (80 hp Yamaha, sold 7/16)
1995 C Dory 16' Angler (40 hp Yamaha, sold 2/16) |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20829 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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South of Heaven wrote: | I think changing the gaskets and/or the hatch would be the first thing to do. My 25 leaked a lot through those hatches in the aft part of the cockpit. |
Even with extra gaskets--and I have what appears to be close to an air tight seal--some water still gets in--
I looked up the pump he uses--$29.95! Hook one of those up to a hose barb fitting tapped into a block of Starboard, with groves cut in the bottom to where the fitting is tapped in; run the 3/8" line to the pump and out its own thru hull. Put on a manual or even a timed switch --once every XX hours--and for less than $50 bucks you have a manual system--not quite as sophisticated--but perhaps more reliable--if you turn it on--or have a battery charger to run the pump a few seconds every 24 hours...or something like that. |
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Avidmagnum12
Joined: 23 Mar 2013 Posts: 673 City/Region: Ocklawaha
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C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
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South of Heaven
Joined: 15 Aug 2015 Posts: 1459 City/Region: Sharon
State or Province: MA
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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What about a full canvas cockpit enclosure?? Not very cost effective but a dry cockpit and bilge will be in your future! |
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Avidmagnum12
Joined: 23 Mar 2013 Posts: 673 City/Region: Ocklawaha
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2011
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Jason
I have a cantilever cockpit cover with a full camper back but only use it occasionally. It’s not easy to fish with it all closed up.🐟🐟🐟
Then there’s fish cleaning, cooler dripping, showers and other wet activities. When I have more than 4 people in the cockpit water can come up the drains. Things get wet back there.......It takes a bunch of water to set off the bilge pump.
Drier is better......😇 Tom |
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helm
Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 273 City/Region: Medford
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Chack Chack
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:46 am Post subject: |
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If you want custom hatches built that will stop the leaking through the cockpit floor contact
Annik Goguen
P&E manufactering
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1524, route 950
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Account.PEMFG@roger
They built custom cockpit hatches for our CD 25 because I hated the constant water in the bilge in a boat with no holes in the bottom. $600 a piece.
We have since moved on to our Lindell 36, but really enjoyed our time with our C Dory _________________ Lindell 36 "Farfalla"
CD 25 "Chack Chack" Sold 2016
Suzuki 200/Honda 15
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20829 City/Region: Pensacola
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C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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helm wrote: | If you want custom hatches built that will stop the leaking through the cockpit floor contact.....
They built custom cockpit hatches for our CD 25 because I hated the constant water in the bilge in a boat with no holes in the bottom. $600 a piece.
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Do you have any photos of your custom hatches? Are they the same size and shape as the plastic ones? |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1521 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Afterthought:
I've been around boats a long time and, except when on the hard, I've never
seen one completely dry - and that's on the inside, wherever, not applying
to the outside.
So, 'tho it can be worrisome to some, it's just simply not realistic to expect a
dry boat. Concern shouldn't come from water. It should come from finding
the source of the water.
Aye. |
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Gulfcoastjohn
Joined: 03 Oct 2017 Posts: 78 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:04 pm Post subject: dry bilge |
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Tom,
Thanks for that DIY dry bilge link, I have ordered the parts and will install when the weather gets nasty (BRRR 68 degree high predicted on Tues, but 81 and sunny tomorrow, so it's another beach day for us).
Cheers! _________________ John and Eileen Highsmith
2010 TC255 Cat O' Mine
Yamaha F150's |
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Avidmagnum12
Joined: 23 Mar 2013 Posts: 673 City/Region: Ocklawaha
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C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve built one of the DIY “bilge suckers” for our 25 and now have a nice dry bilge. I skipped the timer for now and just run it by plugging it into a 12 volt receptacle when I want to use it. I also added a second 2000 gph bilge pump about 3/4 inch higher than the first one. I was hauling the spare around anyway. I put the exit line into a hole that I cut into the down side of the bilge exit line.
On my 22 I just sponged out the excess and that worked fine. On my 2011 25 it takes over 5 gallons of water to kick in the main bilge pump.
A boat project for about $50 or so.
John ...can’t wait to see how yours turns out. See you at Hontoon!
Happy new year.......Tom |
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journey on
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3597 City/Region: Valley Centre
State or Province: CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Journey On has a dry bilge in two steps: replace the sunken cockpit hatches with hatches that stick up 1/2" or so and replace the O-ring on the round access hatches.
Now when I look in the bilge, any water can be mopped out with a sponge and it stays dry for long periods at a time. Don't know if it's the cheapest, but it works well.
Love a dry bilge.
Boris |
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