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Wood Zeppelin



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:03 pm    Post subject: 16 cruiser/angler Gunwales Reply with quote

Does anyone know why the 16' Angler has Gunwales that are about 3" wider than a 16' Cruiser?

Specifically I'm comparing an 88 Angler to a 97 cruiser, but poking around the photos on here is seems to be consistent regardless of the model year.. But I'm wondering if they ever made 16' Anglers with the more narrow gunwales?

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Wandering Sagebrush



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A guess... to better accommodate downrigger mounts.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current design of the 16 Angler dates back to the mid-80s, and as some here claim, the best designed C-Dory ever (And how can you argue with that C-Brat Logo in the upper left?) Wink The Cruiser was introduced a few years later.

My guess would be that they narrowed the gunnels on the Cruiser to re-gain a wee little bit of valuable cockpit space that was lost by moving the pilot house back for the Cruiser design. Just a guess though. I really loved the wide gunnels on the 16 Angler, makes it feel super secure for a small boat and sort of like sitting on the tubes of a RIB. But hey, the Cruiser's gunnels aren't THAT much narrower, are they? Only by a couple of inches right?

But to answer your question, yes the original 16 Anglers (aka Sweet 16 in the brochures) from the early 80s had narrower gunnels, in fact they had practically no gunnels, the pilot house was mounted directly onto the rolled gunnel hull without any deck molding:
http://www.c-brats.com//files/cdory-sales-packet.pdf

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Wood Zeppelin



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:22 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. It's always cool to see the old history, going back that far...
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Sea Wolf



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a boat the size of a 16, wide gunnels serve as a welcome seat at the ready wherever you want on either side of the boat. Not enough room in the small cockpit for any added seats rigidly mounted to the floor.

Wide gunnels could also help contain and partially hide a pair of saddle gas tanks which would keep some of the weight out of the transom and create a better balanced boat.

Also, they're great for mounting equipment like rod holders, downriggers, etc.

I like 'em! Laughing

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Wood Zeppelin



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeaWolf - yes. When I first noticed they were wider Gunwales on the Angler vs. Cruiser, I was a little bummed because I want more "outdoor space". But you're right, in a way they create MORE space (especially when you sit on them)!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wood Zeppelin wrote:
SeaWolf - yes. When I first noticed they were wider Gunwales on the Angler vs. Cruiser, I was a little bummed because I want more "outdoor space". But you're right, in a way they create MORE space (especially when you sit on them)!


Yup!
If I had a boat that size with narrow gunnels, I'd consider making wider wooden ones for that effect.
They'd need to be fiberglassed over for weather and sitting wear durability.
The resin could be pigmented to match or compliment the boat.
Fun project! Laughing

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hardee



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gunnels on my 22 Cruiser are about 4 inches wide. I sit on them regularly. (Either on them or on a fender down inside the cockpit, and use the hull side wall for a backrest.) Just have not figured out a second use for an extra chair to carry around.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:10 pm    Post subject: Wide Gunnels Reply with quote

My original 1988 has a large piece of foam under each of them. Wink
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