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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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"My apologies if any of that wasn't "nice."
Jim, You always are "nice" and you are very right again.
I understand your frustration, and I'm sure you and Joan could have made a huge difference. You are right, there is a big difference between "marketing" and "paid advertising" and they really don't get it. I have just seen on 3 different TV stations news programs a blurb about Starbucks new "Valentines Coffee" touting its sweetheart flavors, mocha and whipped cream with valentines sprinkles. Each spot was about 20 - 30 seconds, including some appealing visuals. These were not paid commercials but "news announcements" resulting from a news release coming from the Starbucks marketing team, --> FREE ADVERTISING done by some savvy marketers not a coffee roaster or paper cup designer. What a concept
I guess the good thing about only a few new boats, my older, well experienced, tuned up and fully ready to travel 22 Cruiser will be worth more than if there were 250 new boats each year since mine was built.
Harvey
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_________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20814 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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At one point whenever "trailerable" trawlers or cruisers came up, C Dory was the quintessential type...Recently I read an article in one of the boating rags, and C Dory was not even mentioned...Ranger Tug, and some of those fancy European built boats got the "free publicity"....er not. The other brands all had placed ads in the magazines. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3374 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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A whole bunch of what you think of as "local news" is product placement or pay for play stories. Particularly when the local stations are part of a large conglomerate like Sinclair Broadcast Group (there are others) who own a very large number of "local" stations around the country. |
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chimoii
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 271
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2017
C-Dory Model: R-25 Tug
Vessel Name: Chimo
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone any idea what the price is of new Venture 23 or a 22 cruiser these days? _________________ Chimo: a word of greeting, farewell, and toast before drinking once widely spoken in the Inuktitut language in northern Canada. |
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MikeR
Joined: 21 Apr 2013 Posts: 474 City/Region: Mill Creek
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2016
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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The Wright family (current builders of C-Dory) have been producing fiberglass boats locally since the 1950s. Originally the Wright Sportsman, then SeaSport in the late 1980s, both probably relatively unknown outside the PNW at first. Now in addition to thier original SeaSport line, they have (thankfully) added the C-Dory, Skagit Orca, and Osprey lines, with several dealers across the country. So things seem to be going pretty well for them. Prices are up, but that's true of most things. A new C-Dory 22' Cruiser still costs about the same as a new, well-appointed Chevy Suburban, just as it has through the decades.
However, not every new boat buyer wants a "me-too" Bayliner, Sea Ray, or even a Ranger, and not every boat builder wants to become a Brunswick or a Fluid Motion (Ranger) factory in terms of size and production numbers. Some folks are happy running a sustainable and profitable small shop and building a quality product, and some of us buyers are extremely happy these "niche" options still exist! And BTW, no offense is intended by comparing Ranger to those those other boat brands - I was raised on Bayliners and appreciate them perhaps more than most. I've just heard many people compare the two brands in recent years due to how ubiquitous Rangers have become in the San Juans, similar to the number of Bayliners seen cruising here in the late 70s and 80s. Some might not know that Bayliner also originated as another local boat brand in Washington State, its founder Orin Edson born in very same town as current C-dory factory, which also happens to be my hometown.
Like everyone else I wish NMI continued success (selfishly, there are still some warranty years remaining on my boat!). However, I keep wondering if the bigger threat is not from the high-volume marketing of other cruising boats like Ranger tugs, but the fact that NMI primarily builds fiberglass Fishing Boats, and in the Fishing boat market the hot trend around here is Aluminum fishing boats!
_________________ 22' C-Dory Cruiser (2016)
16' C-Dory Angler (1989)
10' C-Dory Row Boat (1995) |
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Spike
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 572 City/Region: Kent
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Bootleg Hooch
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:38 am Post subject: |
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You made a lot of good points Mike. But what with the condition of sport fishing, especially here in the PNW, NMI might be better off to look down the boating road regarding the manufacturing and marketing of their makes and models. And I believe the manufacturers of aluminum fishing boats are going to take an especially hard hit in the near future. Fishing style boats are a hot seller now, but I really can’t see it lasting. Not unless the fishing improves around here. _________________ Chuck
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san juanderer
Joined: 12 Aug 2014 Posts: 235 City/Region: Stanwood
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1990
C-Dory Model: 22 Angler
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:48 am Post subject: |
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There have been a lot of very good comments, about why the C-dorys are not being sold in greater numbers.
I do honestly believe there are " new young buyers " coming into the market every day.
I believe a lot can be said for a dealership that has there heart behind the product. That enthusiasm can have a positive impact on potential buyers.
Take for instance Les Lampton ( EQ Harbor Marine ) former owner. He had great love for his C-dory similar line of Marinauts. I believe the C-dory line needs a Les behind it. Not the Wrights. The Wrights love is the SeaSport line, that was there child. _________________ Cdory 22 Angler
SeaSport 24XL, Etec 250 hp (sold)
Rosborough RF246 (sold)
Commander 30 Sportfish (sold)
Olympic 26 XL (sold)
Glassply 19 (sold)
Olympic 23 (sold)
Bayliner 38 Motoryacht (sold)
Olympic 20 (sold)
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jbdba01
Joined: 18 Nov 2014 Posts: 172
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Supply and demand...it's not just a theory, it's the law. |
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ken35216
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 569 City/Region: Destin, Florida
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2017
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Lady Onyx
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:21 am Post subject: |
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And here we go. This is what everyone wanted!
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=26129
Tampa boat show "Hello C-BRATS! Three Rivers Marine is excited to announce that all models of C-Dory boats, with the exception of the 16' & 19' Anglers, will be on display at the Tampa Boat Show March 2-4 at the Florida State Fairgrounds. We hope to see you there!"
https://www.threeriversmarineinc.com/c-dory _________________ 2007 25 Cruiser 150 Suzuki (2013-2016)
2017 25 Cruiser 200 Yamaha (2017-present) |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Just for kicks, did anyone notice if there was a display by Sportcraft at the Portland Boat Show? I believe I read that there were no C-Dorys there but missed if Sportcraft was or not. They seem to be the most "C-Dory Style" folks around the PNW as far as new boat dealers go. Unfortuante that they don't show up here on the site (except for that top right corner paid add they do occasionally.
Harvey
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20814 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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I thought that 3 Rivers was going to have some boats at the Hontoon gathering? That is the 6th thru the 8th. Might be tight getting boats up there.
I wonder how many of the gaggle of boats 3 rivers ordered, have been sold yet?
I remember Marc from Wefings, lugging C Dorys to a multiple of boat shows all of the way from Mobile AL to the S. Florida shows... |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
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C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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ken35216
Joined: 12 Mar 2013 Posts: 569 City/Region: Destin, Florida
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2017
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Lady Onyx
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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I saw that! That makes me smile!!!! |
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haliman
Joined: 30 Nov 2011 Posts: 163
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 19 Angler
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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forrest wrote: | Ordutch1975 wrote: | In our local market (PDX) Aluminum boats are where its at if you are in the business of sales. |
That's fine if you keep your boat only in fresh water but ALL aluminum boats used in salt water will eventually corrode. It's just a matter of time before people realize that and go back to glass. |
People have been using aluminum boats in saltwater for years and seems to me up in the PNW it is material of choice from what I've read but could be wrong. I own a glass boat now (19' Angler) but next boat will be aluminum (Raider Voyager 2484). Eventually is your key word but how long is eventually. Metal corrodes in saltwater if not taken care of and that includes metal on glass boats. With a proper flush and wash of a aluminum boat just as I do with my current glass boat it will probably outlast me and I am 52. |
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mike shotwell Dealer
Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 21 City/Region: crystal river
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: |
I thought that 3 Rivers was going to have some boats at the Hontoon gathering? That is the 6th thru the 8th. Might be tight getting boats up there.
I wonder how many of the gaggle of boats 3 rivers ordered, have been sold yet?
I remember Marc from Wefings, lugging C Dorys to a multiple of boat shows all of the way from Mobile AL to the S. Florida shows... |
Hello Dr. Bob, We plan to have the TomCat and 23' and 26' Ventures at Hontoon. Alternates could be a 22' Cruiser and/or Angler. We also plan to have some "Special Guests" attend as well. We look forward to seeing you there! _________________ Mike Shotwell |
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