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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21388 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:13 am Post subject: "New" Diesel 50 hp outboard by Yanmar |
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Yanmar is again touting their 50 hp diesel outboard
This outboard was first announced in Sept 2015, but I believe that was for pre-production testing.
The motor has some unique features, including dual counter rotation crank shafts to give balance to a 2 cylinder diesel and cut down the vibration. The torque is closer to a 90 hp 4 stroke gas engine--and fuel burn is very close to 1 gallon per 20 hp--so at lower speeds it is very fuel efficient.
Yanmar has made diesel outboards (27 and 36 HP) for some time--but they never passed EPA and CARB requirements. Nothing to say that they have been accepted in the USA yet--or will be.
They are heavy at 174 Kg (386#) vs about 97 Kg (214#) for the Honda 50 hp
gas outboard.
With the high torque--it is possible that a single 50 might be a good match for the C Dory 19 or 22 (Too heavy for the 16)
At 2500 RPM torque is 115 Newton Meters (85 ft-lbs), and a 70 hp outboard is about 80 newton Meters (59 ft-lbs) at 3500 and 87 Newton Meters at 5000 RPM (about what the Yanmar diesel is at 2000 RPM).
Could this plane a C Dory, with the right prop--I believe so. May be an interesting option down the line. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
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journey on
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3598 City/Region: Valley Centre
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:57 am Post subject: |
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This is a development of the Neander motor, a double crank, single cylinder diesel. It was developed by an outfit in Neander, Germany. They've proposed it for motorcycles, outboards and who knows what. Prototypes have been made and run. Glad to see Yamaha is picking it up, don't understand why it wasn't done sooner.
Neander also brought you the Neanderthal man, a predecessor and ancestor of modern man.
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potter water
Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 1076 City/Region: Logan
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:15 am Post subject: |
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I didn't see Yamaha picking it up. Yanmar is the brand. Maybe I missed something. _________________ You can tell a man his wife is ugly, but never ever criticize his dog, his gun, his truck or his boat.
Never let ignorance interfere with an opportunity to state a knowledgeable opinion
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2006 C-Dory 22 Cruiser 2008-2014
1997 Ranger Tug 21 Classic 2016
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Marco Flamingo
Joined: 09 Jul 2015 Posts: 1164 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:42 am Post subject: |
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I love diesel, if it can be tucked away somewhere and soundproofed. I wouldn't want to listen to this behind me all day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=014fmrMapiM
My Yamaha is silent in comparison. Maybe the next phase of diesel outboards is a noise cancelling cowling? Call the patent attorneys!
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7932 City/Region: marysville
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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All the company literature compares this 50 hp to a 70hp gas outboard. I do not know if this is because of similar performance due to higher torque or if they are playing number games to reduce the difference in weight?
I see this as a good work boat, skiff, or even slow house boat barge use. But for a cruising planning or fishing boat I think it still has a way to go. baby steps. _________________ Thomas J Elliott
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spuncopper
Joined: 02 Sep 2012 Posts: 196 City/Region: Camden/ Lake Wateree
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:45 pm Post subject: Yanmar |
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Hey guys,
Yanmar Marine was producing two diesel outboards in the 1980-90s. A 27 hp and a 48 hp. As I understand it there were a few sold up in Alaska. I was receiving information on a German design (Neander maybe?) which was going to be a lightweight turbo charged 50 hp outboard but haven't received anything from them in a few years.
I am familiar with Yanmar though, I had an 18 hp in my 1988 Hellgrammite built by Atlas Boat Works. A displacement hull with 7 knot cruising speed. The little Yanmar pushed it with power to spare at 1 quart an hour fuel consumption. I now have a gray market 1750D Yanmar tractor with basically the same engine as my Hellgrammite had and it too is surprisingly easy on fuel. Both were easy to maintain and very reliable. I've also used Yanmar air cooled, dewater/firefighting pumps with similar results.
Now everyone be good, take care and be safe
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journey on
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3598 City/Region: Valley Centre
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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This is not a Yanmar designed engine but is a German-designed Neander-Shark engine. It's been under development for years by Neander Motors in Kiel, Germany. Utterly unlike any engine having the Yanmar name before.
Certainly not a Yamaha, sorry for the misteak. I type poorly.
And, again, this the same place which brought you the Neanderthal, a predecessor to the home sapiens.
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spuncopper
Joined: 02 Sep 2012 Posts: 196 City/Region: Camden/ Lake Wateree
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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An expected 10,000 hour operating life: = twice normal for gas outboards in commercial use (approx.). Very Good!
Any cost figures suggested yet?
Price / fuel / maintenance / cost effective?
Joe  _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
 
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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localboy
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like my 6.0 liter F250 Super Duty....  _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
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