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ssobol



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat Anderson wrote:
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If you are using a USB monitor anyway, I think a micro PC might be a better choice than a laptop. It would take up much less space.

Granted a micro PC is probably about double what you paid for the laptop.


You are probably correct, but it is the laptop for now! If/when the C-80 gets replaced completely with the PC based system, including all the required interfaces for radar, AIS, depth sounder and multiplexer, I will no doubt go with a micro PC. What kind would you use?


No doubt that by the time you get around to it, whatever is available today will be replaced by something different. I would wait to consider the actual unit until you are actually ready to do something.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ssobol"][quote="Pat Anderson"]
ssobol wrote:
If you are using a USB monitor anyway, I think a micro PC might be a better choice than a laptop. It would take up much less space.

Granted a micro PC is probably about double what you paid for the laptop.


I am thinking I could buy this Quantum Bytes mini computer, $170, install CE, and drop it in place of the laptop, 32 GB on-board storage, and I could place the charts on an SD card. I could do this now, and have redundancy with the laptop as a backup. Bad idea?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat, Active Captain has very current updates from boats headed down the ICW for the winter. If it's integrated with your chart plotter, it will be very helpful. Their FB page also has very current info, before it even gets in AC.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat, I would wonder how vibration, high humidity, and salt air would affect the mini computer:?

So far (computers aboard since 1982) I have found laptops did better in these conditions.

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Pat Anderson



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captains Cat wrote:
Pat, Active Captain has very current updates from boats headed down the ICW for the winter. If it's integrated with your chart plotter, it will be very helpful. Their FB page also has very current info, before it even gets in AC.

Charlie


Charlie, Active Capatin is integraged into both Coastal Explorer running on my PC nav system (now the primary system) and on Navimatics on my iPad. I spend a fair amount of time talking about it in the third installment of three on my blog Daydream's Loop. You might find it an interesting read!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thataway wrote:
Pat, I would wonder how vibration, high humidity, and salt air would affect the mini computer:?

So far (computers aboard since 1982) I have found laptops did better in these conditions.


Some of the newer micro computers are pretty much sealed units, no fans, just some connector ports. With a solid state drive I don't see how they would be any less robust than a laptop. The fact that you would have some separate components (monitor, keyboard) might make them more long lived because if one part fails it can be replaced more easily.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssobol wrote:

Some of the newer micro computers are pretty much sealed units, no fans, just some connector ports. With a solid state drive I don't see how they would be any less robust than a laptop. The fact that you would have some separate components (monitor, keyboard) might make them more long lived because if one part fails it can be replaced more easily.


Hard to know. Just something to think about. These are not potted, and thus not sealed up to the standards of some marine electronics.

There is one teardown video of a unit which has very close to the same specs, is built in a cylinder, and does have a mini fan. (but no apparent vents). That unit appeared to have somewhere about 50 soldered connectors, and several ribbon cables on its chassis--all of which can be points of corrosion. On the other hand, it is cheap, and could be kept in a container with a moisture absorber until ready to use.

One friend had been using laptops, but decided she wanted a big computer built in--the corrosion came on fairly fast, even though the boat was kept 99% of the time in its slip. Some of the megayachts use very specially built computers, and other folks have just used a quality computer. I know of some who have sprayed the boards with a very light coat of corrosion inhibiting material.

If I was doing the trip--and wanted a back up--I might consider the mini. But I don't use my computer as primary navigation tool. Instead use specific marine chart plotters, MFD/Radar/Sonar and the laptop for other purposes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat, This is probably the storage yard I remembered from the 2006 trip.
http://www.gladesboatstorage.com/rates.htm

It looks like they store about anything. $2.50/ft per month, for trailer at 30'= $75.00 plus $25/ month for a truck, so about $100/month for truck and trailer.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discovery wrote:
Pat, This is probably the storage yard I remembered from the 2006 trip.
http://www.gladesboatstorage.com/rates.htm

It looks like they store about anything. $2.50/ft per month, for trailer at 30'= $75.00 plus $25/ month for a truck, so about $100/month for truck and trailer.


Looks like we have a winner in River Forest Marina in La Belle, $75 a month for truck and trailer. There is a boat ramp about a mile away.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is installment 4 of our Great Loop blog, Around the Loop in 25 Feet! Love to hear your feedback!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like paper charts. I'm studying them/planning a trip on them as I type. I'm also looking at the charts on the computer and active captain.
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Nice installment, and shows your excellent logic well!

I thought about your last comment about TV--and thought "weather and local news"--we have a 11" 12 volt TV we occasionally use, with a small rabbit ears antenna, which we occasionally use--but you all have the computers--and I phones so that probably does better for those.

We also really enjoy satellite radio--and that is one of our "essentials" for the boat...especially for a long trip.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat Anderson wrote:
Here is installment 4 of our Great Loop blog, Around the Loop in 25 Feet! Love to hear your feedback!


I just stole your idea on the NuWave stove top!
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We have been using the NuWave induction with the 1000I Honda for several years, and it works fine up to about Medium (275 degrees). We determined the draw with the Kill-0-watt amp/watt meter:
At rest, the induction plate draws 58 watts, so you don't want to leave it plugged into an inverter.
At Low and low medium, the current draw is 600 watts. The current draw increases to 786 watts at 275 degrees, and remains there until 370 degrees on the read out. Then it jumps to 985 watts, at 375 (Medium high).

Hi uses 1065 watts which is beyond the capacity of the Honda EU 1000i.

We find that we can cook almost anything at 270 degrees, Just below Medium--but the Honda EU 1000 is starting to work hard at 785 watts, but can be used up to 370 degrees on the read out of the plate.

It is possible that our unit is bigger physically than Pat's. The top of our induction plate is 12 1/2" and the frying pan is 7" on the bottom and 10 1/4" on the rim.
We got other induction cookware at Target at a good price.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pat and Bob. The Nu-Wave induction cooker has recently caught my eye since they are advertising a "New" design, lower wattage unit, (I believe is the plug), and have been thinking I might be interested. Would you mind posting the model number or name you are using and approximate age, as I think the new one is about a year old at most.

Thanks,

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