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journey on
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3598 City/Region: Valley Centre
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: journey on
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Westie, you say you're going to skip the relay because you only anchor a few times in a year. Consider that either switch ( the manual or the relay) has to pass all the current that the windlass motor demands. So either over a short period of time or when the anchor gets stuck, the manual switch contacts will disintegrate since they're not sized for the load and you're faced with pulling the anchor up by hand. The factory used only the manual switch on Journey On and it failed at a most inopportune time. And you have a Tomcat, which is heavier that a C-25 and would dig in the anchor deeper.
It doesn't take much time to wire in the relay and it offers a large amount of insurance. You can wire it with a larger wire size while you're at it. I certainly was glad I did it.
Lewmar added the relay for the 700 for a reason. And BTW they redesigned the 600 to a 700 because the capstan seal failed. You might go along with their changes.
Boris |
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Westie
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 177 City/Region: Bodega Bay
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: True North
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Boris - It really comes down to time. Since I rarely anchor, I really don't want to spend the time and money on this fix. The previous switched worked for 10 years. I hope to get that again...if not, I'll probably just upgrade the whole system. |
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gulfcoast john
Joined: 14 Dec 2012 Posts: 992 City/Region: PENSACOLA
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2010
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Cat O' Mine
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Westie!
Agree with others a 255 prop CAN be changed out in a slip, but it's a MUCH higher risk maneuver than doing it in the driveway. Checking for a possible, as opposed to definitely, spun hub is a prop shop job for burly props like ours. Cheaper to buy a new one.
I favor aluminum 4 blade props (always the outlier) and just paid Accu-Prop $140 to spec and smooth both (each SOLAS was only $121 brand new from iboats.com including free delivery). I'm not convinced the SS is worth the rather marginal performance delta (1-2 MPH WOT) vs the downsides for the F150 (idle prop rattle, shift clunks etc).
Regarding bilge water, there are a lot of potential spots for rain to enter. Expect the fish boxes to be two 'enclosed plumbing systems' where any rain, fish ice, etc is plumbed to separate macerator pumps which output up high on the sides through an upper loop (to prevent any siphon action). Fishbox water can't leave except through those pumps and only when they are energized. Some owners have put float switches in the fishboxes wired to the respective macerator pump. Some cruisers/non-fishpersons like us simply disconnect the fishbox drain at the pump (not at the fishbox, which is very hard to access and therefore hard to to un-do). This allows all fishbox contents to drain directly into the bilge without backing up into the fishboxes. Then the bilge pumps for each sponson pump it out when the bilge pump float switch detects 3/4 inch depth (this is fine for rainwater, but not for fish blood/guts etc).
You can easily replace a float switch.
Many 255 owners have found that for whatever reasons, rainwater prefers equally to go into the fishboxes before exiting out the corner scuppers, even with a bimini.
On a day when your neck is feeling especially flexible, trace all the plumbing from the fishboxes and bilge pumps to get a good feel re how your boat was rigged/has been changed.
There will be a test question to ID all 8 water pumps (not including engines) on a typical 255 whenever you're ready. They all have a 12 month warranty because their Maker designed them that way. One happy exception is the Rule Gold series 5 year warranty bilge pumps...highly recommended.
Happy investigating!
John _________________ John and Eileen Highsmith
2010 Tom Cat 255, Cat O' Mine
Yamaha F150, LXF150 |
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Westie
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 177 City/Region: Bodega Bay
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: True North
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:25 am Post subject: |
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John - thanks for the insight! |
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Westie
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 177 City/Region: Bodega Bay
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: True North
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Finally replaced the switch and it's the same...I have power incoming and no power gong to the winlass motor. I checked the resistance in the switch is connecting properly.
If the motor was bad, wouldn't I still see voltage going to it at the switch? |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:19 am Post subject: |
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m2cw
1. start at fuse panel. check voltage for the windlass wire, record voltage.
2. go to windlass switch. with switch off, check voltage at the switch (power side), record voltage
3. with switch on, check voltage on windlass side and power side
could be bad fuse, bad wires, bad switch, etc _________________ Brent Barrett |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:09 am Post subject: |
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also inspect wiring from fuse panel to windlass for chafing, poor crimps and wire splicing |
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Westie
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 177 City/Region: Bodega Bay
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: True North
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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BrentB - there is a fuse behind my Captains chair. I believe it is 50amp. It blew when I installed the new switch because I forget the anchor is hard wired. This makes me think the wires from the fuse to the switch is good.
I can't read any voltage at the motor. My crew thinks the motor is the issue but I think I should see voltage in the wire leading to the motor. |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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ok if switch has been replaced and tested with DVM digital volt meter then it could be the wiring, poor crimps, someone repaired a wire with splicing in a new wire and or poor crimps or the windlass. I mentioned the clamp on DVM and ammeter. It is handy bc it clamps on the wires and measures the current along with other features I just bought one from Sears on sale for $45. It may or may not help you troubleshoot. Bad crimps is another problem. It would help to know if the windlass is getting juice. Sorry I cant help more without seeing how it is wired and getting the entire wire line from battery to windlass and if properly grounded. Post update. probably something simple like the wire inside the windlass was disconnected and the solenoid if it has one is stuck. LOL good luck |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with installing a relay and now have corded or cordless remote control and having it properly fused with a circuit breaker |
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Westie
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 177 City/Region: Bodega Bay
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: True North
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Brent - I'll work on debugging the motor. I have lots of travel coming up but I'll update when I can get back to the slip.
Really appreciate your insights! Thank you - hope you have a great holiday! |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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good luck and Merry Christmas! |
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Westie
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 177 City/Region: Bodega Bay
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: True North
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Quick update. I had a mechanic on the boat yesterday and he found the relay in the battery box, starboard side that was totally corroded. He jumped it a boom - power! He gave me a good lesson in cleaning up my electric connections....something I'm ashamed to say has gone forgotten. |
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