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GxK
Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 124 City/Region: Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
State or Province: ON
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 24 Tomcat
Vessel Name: At Last! ex Goose
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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NewMoon wrote: | They did have metallurgy problems with some anchors after they moved manufacturing to China. Resolved years ago, by the new owners, Canada Metal (Pacific) Ltd. |
The current ownership looks solid: http://www.canmet.com/products-services/marine And it's Canadian!
Here's the Rocna site: http://www.rocna.com/
--Georgs |
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
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C-Dory Year: 2002
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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I'm glad to hear that Rocna is doing well now. I probably wouldn't have mentioned anything, but I noticed that a Smith article was mentioned a few posts ago, and that reminded me of one of the Smiths who used to come on very strong on forums. If that's all water under the bridge, then good news. The Rocna design seems very good, and if they are made in Canada I consider that a good thing. Thanks for the update.
The "new generation" anchor designs do seem to set very quickly. I remember the first time I was on a boat (not mine) with a Rocna. I was on my off-watch, in my bunk, when we reached port and I heard the chain rattling over as per usual. I sat up, then "Wow" when the anchor grabbed. It was like stopping fast in a car. Never experienced that before.
I never had any problem with the "old school" CQR over the years (on larger boats), but I do have a new generation anchor on the C-Dory, and it seems to work very well, so far. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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A large number of cruisers have gone to Ronca. Jeff Siege has two 120 lb Ronca on his bow rollers on the 53 foot Defever. (I believe he still has at least one Fortress aboard for stern and mud.) l I would keep that Fortress for mud, stern and a light weight anchor to take in the dinghy when you need a second anchor.
SuperMax is now back in production after being bought by Stephen Bedford, and they have a 9#. The 12# would be the appropriate size for the Tom Cat. have been wanting to order the 9#, just to see how it works in the light weight. (Marie would probably disown me for buying another anchor!) SuperMax has a great reputation as an all around anchor! But are difficult to stow, not that should make a difference for a great anchor!
http://maxmarineproducts.com _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Home port: Pensacola FL |
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Rain
Joined: 09 Oct 2015 Posts: 218 City/Region: Oak Harbor
State or Province: WA
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C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: C-Glory
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: Rocna Anchor on Venture 23' |
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I noticed that the Venture 23' typically has a Rocna (I think) anchor. I first noticed it is on my recently acquired boat and then on "Pacific Wander" by observing photographs.
Anyone have opinions of the "new generation" anchors? |
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NewMoon
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 430 City/Region: Holladay
State or Province: UT
C-Dory Year: 1991
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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The new concave/scoop anchors (Spade, Rocna, Manson Supreme, etc) are terrific!
After using a Bruce on our CD22, and a Bruce on our 26-footer, I switched to a 10kg Rocna a few years ago. Sets solidly very quickly, even in fairly kelpy bottoms, and holds like crazy. _________________ Richard Cook
Dream Catcher (Nordic Tug 37, 2016 to present)
New Moon (Bounty 257, 1998 to 2016)
Cindy Sea (CD 22 Cruiser, from 1991 to 1998)
"Cruising in a Big Way" |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Rain, If you review the many threads on anchors, you will find that not only are many switching to the "3rd generation, such as Ronca, they are also dong well in many of the tests, and many large full-time cruising boats, where superior anchoring gear is essential have switched to the scoop type. |
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Chester
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1176 City/Region: home
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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We had a Rocna on Chester but I tired of looking around the roll bar while underway so I replaced it with a Manson Boss. |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Chester wrote: | We had a Rocna on Chester but I tired of looking around the roll bar while underway so I replaced it with a Manson Boss. |
Did you have to make any changes to the launcher for either the Rocna or Manson Boss?
Harvey
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_________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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GxK
Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 124 City/Region: Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
State or Province: ON
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 24 Tomcat
Vessel Name: At Last! ex Goose
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:02 pm Post subject: TomCat anchors |
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There I was, at the Toronto boat show, just two days following the Admiral's birthday, so I did what every decent man would do, I bought her a Rocna 10 for a birthday gift.
If hysterical laughter is any indication, she's OK it.
http://www.rocna.com
So, here I am, looking for advice on how to spec a new rode that will be worthy of the Rocna.
New Moon, Thataway, and others, what would you recommend?
--Georgs _________________ Georgs Kolesnikovs
TomCat 24 At Last!
Puffin Saco 12 Finally!
Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
http://tomcat-tales.blogspot.com/ |
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NewMoon
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 430 City/Region: Holladay
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Georgs,
Don't know what depths you're going to be anchoring in, but for BC and SE Alaska (typically anchoring in 25-65 feet), I'd suggest 300 feet of New England Ropes (theirs is top quality) 1/2" three-strand, spliced to at least 30 feet of 1/4" HT (G43?) chain. For my much heavier (11,000 lb loaded) 26-footer that's what I use, with 44 feet of chain and a 10kg Rocna.
If you have a windlass and your rode locker is tight, 8-plait might be better - but I haven't yet learned how to splice that to chain. Should be illustrations somewhere on the web. I think Dr Bob knows the drill.
If you don't have a windlass, I'd use 7/16" double-braid. We had that on our C-Dory. If you could get it eye-spliced onto a thimble, you could shackle it to the chain. |
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GxK
Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 124 City/Region: Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
State or Province: ON
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 24 Tomcat
Vessel Name: At Last! ex Goose
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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NewMoon wrote: |
If you don't have a windlass, I'd use 7/16" double-braid. We had that on our C-Dory. If you could get it eye-spliced onto a thimble, you could shackle it to the chain. |
At the moment, I have no windlass on the TomCat. I'd love to be able to do without the complication and expense, but I'm not sure I can hand over hand 22 pounds of anchor and, say, 30 feet of chain, with a total rode of perhaps 250 feet.
Has anyone in their seventies or eighties successfully cruised a TomCat or CD25 without at least a manual windlass? (I'm only 74 but Significant Other says I'm almost 80!)
--Georgs |
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3396 City/Region: SW Michigan
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="GxK"] NewMoon wrote: |
I'm not sure I can hand over hand 22 pounds of anchor and, say, 30 feet of chain, with a total rode of perhaps 250 feet. |
Handling it hand over hand will help keep you fit. Maybe then getting to 80 won't be too hard. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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George;
Congratulations to the Admiral on her birthday, and the great birthday present!
I am an advocate of the 1/2" Yale Brait 8 plait, since it hands nicely and takes about 1/2 of the volume of 3 strand. It also works very well with the windlass, when you get one. The 1/4" HT chain is what the windlasses use, so I would get than in anticipation. 3/8 Brait. is strong enough, but the difference in cost is only about 10 cents a foot, and the hand is far better with the 1/2".
I have 300 feet of Brait, but with the occasional anchoring in the West Coast, that is necessary. In the Rivers, probably 150 feet will do the job. Chain--I would want at a min. 10 feet, better with 20 feet, but the Ronca bites in easily, so the chain will be mostly for abrasion protection.
Defender generally has good prices, and quality products. That is where I got my current anchor rode. They have it pre splices with a thimble on "close out" sale currently, and not a bad price.
The rope to chain splice I did is at:
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=21709
It is holding up very well, been in some 50 knot blows.
Now if we can get you down where it is warm...and really use that Tom Cat 24! |
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GxK
Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 124 City/Region: Frenchman's Bay, Lake Ontario
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks very much, Bob, for your detailed recommendation. Much appreciated. And love your photo how-to on splicing rope to chain.
I'll pass along your greetings to the Admiral.
--Georgs |
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Pacificcoast101
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 718 City/Region: Torrance
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