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Tug



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:48 pm    Post subject: Maxwell Freedom 500 Windlass is DEAD Reply with quote

I never used my Windlass this year and when I checked it last week is was dead. My breaker/isolator , remote control and my reversing solenoid all seem to work but my motor will not turn over. I removed the two cable from my motor and tested them with a meter and shows that the motor is receiving power.
It says to remove the motor from the gearbox and check the drive pin which I haven't done yet. I am not sure what my next move is , anyone have similar problems. thanks Tug
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the motor hum, and try to spin, but no spin? (frozen up?) (Water/salt intrusion, usually.)

Does it run freely, but not turn the gypsy? (broken drive pin?)

Is there neither of the above? (Power not getting to the armature through the brushes?) That is assuming the Maxwell Freedom 500 is a PM (Permanent Magnet motor. Some of the more expensive windlasses have series-wound motors with the field magnets being wire coils series-wound with the armature, instead of permanent magnets providing the field magnetism.

___See if the armature will turn by hand.

___See if the brushes are making contact with the armature cleanly. Do the springs push the brushes against the armature firmly?

___Test if there is electrical continuity between the brushes through the armature. (Could have a burned out circuit in the armature coils.)

___Check for corrosion and/or water/salt intrusion anywhere within the motor or windlass gears.

Let us know what you find!

Good Luck!

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Tug



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The motor seems to be frozen, not humming or movement of any kind. I removed the motor from the gearbox. The pin was good but I had to clean up a little dirt or dried grease that was there. Still the internal seal was intact and clean looking. I was unable to turn it by hand, if I will remove the motor housing to check the electrical continuity will I be able to reassemble it or is that an issue? Thanks Tug
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

or take it to electrical motor repair shop for an estimate (most repair shops will be check for free) and determine if it can be repaired or replaced.

Maybe this is the correct manual
http://www.maxwellmarine.com/downloader.php?i=323

and has some useful service info

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrentB wrote:
or take it to electrical motor repair shop for an estimate (most repair shops will be check for free) and determine if it can be repaired or replaced.


Good idea, especially if you're not sure about these kinds of things.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good cleaning and lube per the manual is easy to perform.

This windlass looks well made, too and servicable
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sea Wolf wrote:
BrentB wrote:
or take it to electrical motor repair shop for an estimate (most repair shops will be check for free) and determine if it can be repaired or replaced.


Good idea, especially if you're not sure about these kinds of things.

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Joe
I agree
(but would break out my DVM to check it and a good cleaning and lube job)

This model might have a gearbox that the oil can be replaced. Good time for it
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same manual, I think I will take the motor somewhere to have it checked out. I will let you know how things turn out. Thanks Tug
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxwell makes a very good windlass. Often it is just the bearings/seals. Easy to replace, and clean up. Most likely the electrical is OK--assuming that you have not gotten a lot of salt water into the motor assembly.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read that the motor has a site glass on one end of it in which you can see the oil level inside:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/431300-maxwell-freedom-500-a.html

And, Yes, the motor can seize, and it's a frequent problem with this model!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I connected the motor to a 12v battery and still it didn't work so I ended up taking the motor to a Motor Repair shop close by me.
I took your advice and disassembled the Windlass than lubed and cleaned all the required parts, now I just have to wait on the repairman. Will post results. Tug
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thumbs up

another manual

http://www.c34.org/manuals/Maxwell%20_500VW_Manual.pdf

from HT posting by Joe
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A replacement motor on eBay is about 180$.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxwell-Freedom-500-Replacement-Windlass-Motor-P10068-/231699488053?hash=item35f25d9d35&vxp=mtr

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Picked up the motor and reinstalled it this morning, works great. He said that a bushing or bearing had seized ( forget which ) but everything else works fine. Water must of gotten in somehow and he said to put White grease on the motor face for prevention. Total cost $50.85 , way better than having to buy a new one. Will do a yearly inspection and lubrication from now on, thanks for all the great advice. Tug.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

breausaw wrote:
A replacement motor on eBay is about 180$.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxwell-Freedom-500-Replacement-Windlass-Motor-P10068-/231699488053?hash=item35f25d9d35&vxp=mtr


I also noticed that when searching around on this topic: new replacement motors cost $182-$185 + shipping from many, many different sources.

This being the case, if I had to buy one, I'd choose my supplier based on who I thought would offer a better return and warranty policy and be likely to back it up, such as Defender, Fisheries Supply, West Marine, or the like.

Sometimes, more often most of the time, when buying electrical/electronic components, special conditions apply to the return of items purchased, up to and including flat out no returns possible.

Just something to always think about, in advance.

Hope the motor in question can be repaired quickly and at a reasonable cost, of course.

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