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toyman



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally put mine in a pipe vise, then with a strap wrench on it, the inside plastic on the element was turning along with the bowl. So I cut it up and found that the pieces (sections) of the bowl were still bonded to the sections of the element.

When I was looking for the replacement bowl I found the following note on Torresen Marine site for the plastic bowl -
"The plastic bowl for this, and all primary fuel filter applications, is no longer U.S. Coast Guard approved. The USCG is now approving the Racor metal bowls only. The replacement for this plastic series is part number RK10109."

For metal bowl they say -
"THIS METAL BOWL IS THE U.S. COAST GUARD APPROVED APPLICATION. PLASTIC BOWLS ARE NO LONGER APPROVED."

I know I'm going to the metal bowl, I figure I can do like an aircraft and sample for water in the bowl.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Fuel Filter bowls Reply with quote

Wandering Sagebrush wrote:
Does anyone know an inexpensive source for the plastic bowels that attach to the Racor fuel filters? My worry box started filling up with concerns about breaking one, and now I am feeling the need to get a spare (I have plenty of the elements).

The element is only about $22 with a Honda name on it, but the element and bowel are over $60. That's a pretty expensive piece of plastic. I should probably head down to a NAPA and see what they can come up with, but thought one of the Brats would have a great idea.

Regards,

Steve



I wouldn’t worry too much; those bowels are most likely made out of some space age material that only bends when impacted with a sledge hammer.
I worry more that the filter will clog up or have some defect, for that reason I keep a couple extra filters; as a last resort an off the shelve in-line automotive filter to bypass the whole mess.

Jay
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used both silicone and teflon grease for lubricants for the bowls. For removal, a strap wrench, or it that does not work, a Chain Vise Grip pliers work very well. The Vise Grip will be more likely to damage the filter.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I replaced the filter elements and bowls yesterday and sure enough the old ones were stuck together so's I cut the filters apart and managed to separate them from the bowls. It wasn't pretty. The threads weren't fused together, it seems that the filter threads expanded or the bowl shrunk slightly. Either way, the fit was just too tight to unscrew them.
The old bowls are there for backup duty, I don't plan on using them if I don't have to. I put a dab of grease on the new threads, dunno if it'll help.
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thataway



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has been controversary about the use of plastic bowls in the cockpit areas of the 22's or 25's (etc) and in the lazarettes of the Tom Cat 255. Agree that the metal bowl or mounted exteriorly is better, but the chance of an explosion or spark with the plastic bowl in our boats is miminal. It is always a good idea to "sniff" the bilges before any source of ignition (such as starting the stove).

It is a good idea to remove the plastic bowls at least every 6 months--and I agree that silicone grease is the best material to use on the threads and "O" rings.

I don't carry a spare plastic bowl--never had one break, and I have used them for many tens of thousands of miles in diesel powered vessels.
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Captains Cat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally got my filters and bowls from Brown's Marine. The old ones (bowls) were 4 yeard + old and didn't look good. Going to replace them today, along with the LP fuel filters inside the engine cowls.

Charlie

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that was a bummer.... Filter elements/bowls look alike (existing ones were Honda) but the new ones, Suzuki, have a different hole in the top where it screws onto the head. Arghhhh... Cry

So, rather than put a new head on them now, I'll try to find the right Honda or equivalent parts, order new heads for the Suzi parts and keep them as spares.... Oh, well.

Charlie
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used Spencer's link on the first page. Two complete elements/bowls and heads for $93 including $14 in shipping (3-7 days). Maybe next weekend?

Charlie
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my most recent fuel filter change, I also had one bowl seized to the filter. After removing the bowl and filter as a unit, I squeezed the filter at its lower circumference with my huge channel locks to stop the plastic threaded lower portion from turning. Then the bowl could be persuaded to spin off the filter normally. No need to cut the filter apart.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to stick with the Racor/Honda system. I will post my two Suzuki (small) filters with bowls (new) on the parts for sale forum as soon as I figure out how much I need to get for them. Exactly the same as the Honda/Racor, except on the Suzi the hole on the top of the filter is larger. The "head" is different! Snyone need a good deal on a set of Suzuki stuff?

Charlie
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went through the stuck bowl routine again today.
I ended up immersing the element-bowl assembly in ice water then putting just the bowl in hot water before they'd separate.
Thinking about pulling the damn bowl off or at least loosening it when the boat is not in use.
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