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DuckDogTitus
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interestingly enough, the hitch does sit higher on the Cherokee than the Cummins, but the mechanic I had do the bearings/seals etc said it sat well on the Cherokee (hitch height was his concern too before he saw). He of course had plenty to say about how the jeep was incapable of towing such a boat, lol. I'm kind of getting tired of people arguing with me on that.
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003
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City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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How much of the total weight of the boat/trailer is on the tongue? Does the trailer sit level when hooked up to both vehicles? If the front is higher on the Cherokee than on the Truck, that may be lightly loading the front tires/wheels causing them to skip on braking.
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dotnmarty
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| DuckDogTitus wrote: | | I'm kind of getting tired of people arguing with me on that. |
Well, now that you mention it, the average weight of a 22, boat motor and trailer, is about 3500 lbs. and the new Cherokee (not the Grand Cherokee) is rated at only a 2000 lb. tow capacity with the 4 cyl, but 4500 with the six.
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Sunbeam
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| dotnmarty wrote: | | Well, now that you mention it, the average weight of a 22, boat motor and trailer, is about 3500 lbs. |
I would actually think the average would be higher, maybe 4200-4500#. Not that one couldn't make it lighter (single-axle trailer, careful pruning of gear, empty tanks). I come up with this figure because my 22 on tandem trailer (gear loaded but tanks all empty) weighs in at around 4,350# (4,000# on trailer axles; 350# on tongue), and I have read many reports of folks weighing in at 4,500# to 5,000# all up (they were not trying to have light boats). So maybe one could squeak one in at 3,500#, but probably not average.
(I realize you were not "arguing" the point, but just wanted to mention what I have found.)
On the height issue: I have always read (and it makes sense to me) that a tandem should be towed level. I don't know how out of level your "high" vehicle is, but that may have been a problem. I used two ways to check: One is that I measured from the trailer frame to a level concrete pad, forward and aft; the other was placing a level on the trailer frame. By doing that and then using (in my case) a receiver bar with a specific rise, I was able to get it nice and level. For my particular trailer/rig combo that means the top of the hitch ball is 19-1/2" off the ground. |
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colbysmith
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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My two cents worth. I've got a tandem axle aluminum EZ Loader Trailer under my 2007 CD-22 Cruiser with a Mercury 115hp EFI 4-stroke and 6HP Tahatsu Kicker. These are actual weights:
C-Dory & Trailer (Full gas tanks, water tank 2/3 full, Cooler in cockpit approx. 80 lbs).
Total weight: 5065 lbs.
Tongue Weight 405 lbs
Axle Weight 4660 lbs
At the time I also had a spare tire, anchor and prop, tools, fishing gear, supplies, etc. If I were to guess, I'd say stuff like that probably counted for at least 500 lbs of the weight. Colby |
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DuckDogTitus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| dotnmarty wrote: | | DuckDogTitus wrote: | | I'm kind of getting tired of people arguing with me on that. |
Well, now that you mention it, the average weight of a 22, boat motor and trailer, is about 3500 lbs. and the new Cherokee (not the Grand Cherokee) is rated at only a 2000 lb. tow capacity with the 4 cyl, but 4500 with the six. |
I have a hemi, its rated at over 7,000lbs tow capacity and we've been towing with it for about a year and a half with no problems at all. It actually is a much more comfortable tow than the 3/4 ton. Our Cherokee is a 2005 Hemi, and I always assumed the CD to be closer to 4500lbs fully loaded, I think sometimes I even round up to assume 5k, really.
I'd not want to tow it with anything smaller (although I know people have) but my cherokee handles it very very well. i've never once felt like i was being pushed around by the boat or out of control at any speed. just this recent brake chatter had to be fixed.
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DuckDogTitus
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| Captains Cat wrote: | How much of the total weight of the boat/trailer is on the tongue? Does the trailer sit level when hooked up to both vehicles? If the front is higher on the Cherokee than on the Truck, that may be lightly loading the front tires/wheels causing them to skip on braking.
Charlie |
It actually does sit pretty level. the cummins just happens to have a drop hitch which sits a bit lower. we towed all last year with the cherokee and had no problems at all, its been a recent occurrence that started increasing. after getting the brakes adjusted/seals/bearings I took it on two short tows just to test it and had zero problems under all the circumstances that I would normally experience problems. in 2 weeks though I'm taking it up to Anacortes for another san juans trip though, so that will be the true test, but as of right now, the brake adjustment this week seems to have been the cure  |
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