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tomtom1941
Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Posts: 44 City/Region: Wildwood
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: TRAVELER
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:16 am Post subject: new windlass for Traveler |
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The old sprint lewmar 600 vertical windlass finally striped gears which are no longer available.
Does anyone have recommendations for a new one. I think I'd like to go horizontal and bigger this time and be able to cover the old mounting hole if possible.
Recommendations appreciated.
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ghone
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi Tom. Horizontals have proven more reliable. I have the Lewmar H700. You could fit that or go up a size to the H1000. Easy maintenance on these models and don't feed mud and sand into the seal like verticals. Best. George |
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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This is not a specific answer, but... I'm going to add a windlass in the near future and I've earmarked the Lewmar Pro700 horizontal (which is the one George mentions above).
I am a bit disconcerted to read that a (presumably) 8-year-old Lewmar windlass is not only broken but considered so "old" that parts such as gears are no longer available(?) If I'm about to spend ~$800 on a windlass (not to mention wiring and installation costs), I'd like to think essential parts would be available for it in 8 years. |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7896 City/Region: marysville
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Just my two cents, I think that the vertical windlass are no longer made or supported because they where a crap design. As mentioned they all failed ( or a at least a high rate of failer) because of water intrusion into the motors that where poorly sealed and hanging directly below the shaft. It was a cheaper design to build because no gear box going from horizontal to vertical, but ended up being a poor design. I had one fail and rebuilt it but was not encouraged with it lasting more then a few years. Its still on the 22 I sold and I think its still running but its most likely due to my over sealing it then the design its self. I pulled a few more apart that people gave me to rebuild but they were to far gone to be of any use. The horizontal units don't seem to have any of the same issue that I know of. And you really don't have a choice if you want one as there are maybe 2 makers of smaller windlass on the market. _________________ Thomas J Elliott
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colobear
Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 2154 City/Region: Denver
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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The Lewmar V700 is still listed on the Lewmar site and is widely available online so I suspect it is still being made. Ours has been used in salt water for 5 years and works fine with 3 strand line and 1/4 inch heavy duty chain. it is not perfect but functions well; having said that, buying now I'd get a horizontal version. _________________ Patti and Barry
formerly C-Cakes, now
rving around N. America
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the insight, Tom. I've always had horizontal (manual) windlasses, so gravitated to that design. I like that there is one less "curve" to get the rode into the deck pipe. As you say, not too many choices anyway, so I'll likely just get the Pro700 (horizontal) and hope for the best. Snubbing the rode (off the windlass) should help too. |
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tomtom1941
Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Posts: 44 City/Region: Wildwood
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:58 pm Post subject: Thanks |
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Thanks for everyone's rapid replies.
Pro 700H it is.
Tom |
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Dreamer
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NewMoon
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Sunbeam wrote: | This is not a specific answer, but... I'm going to add a windlass in the near future and I've earmarked the Lewmar Pro700 horizontal (which is the one George mentions above).
I am a bit disconcerted to read that a (presumably) 8-year-old Lewmar windlass is not only broken but considered so "old" that parts such as gears are no longer available(?) If I'm about to spend ~$800 on a windlass (not to mention wiring and installation costs), I'd like to think essential parts would be available for it in 8 years. |
FWIW, our ~13 year old Simpson-Lawrence Horizon 600 GD (somewhat less robust predecesssor to Lewmar Pro 700) is still plugging along after 700-800 overnights, with some halibut fishing and hauling a bunch of shrimp pots along the way. _________________ Richard Cook
Dream Catcher (Nordic Tug 37, 2016 to present)
New Moon (Bounty 257, 1998 to 2016)
Cindy Sea (CD 22 Cruiser, from 1991 to 1998)
"Cruising in a Big Way" |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7896 City/Region: marysville
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hold up everything a dam mintue...
When I was talking about the vertical vs horizontal I was talking about the mounting of the motors. Not the type of windlass. ( above deck or in deck) . to be clear the older vertical v700 compared to the v1 which has a horizontal motor. I would buy the V1 in a heart beat and think its a good design. All my problems where with the v700 or older v600's . I have not experience with the units that mount above deck. Looks to take up to much room to me and thats why I have the v1 on the 27. |
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Sunbeam
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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Tom,
Is there a horizontal electric windlass that mounts below deck? I always thought that only vertical ones did that on our size boats.
I do have someone's cast off old Lofrans Royal manual horizontal windlass that was mounted below deck in a locker (had large hatch to foredeck), but that was a larger sailboat.
I understand a horizontal windlass to be one with the "axle" of the gipsy running athwartships (i.e. horizontally). |
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starcrafttom
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Sunbeam
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Were you posting that link for me? If so, I believe that is still a vertical windlass, albeit the motor is positioned horizontally belowdecks. The way I understand it, the named orientation (vertical vs. horizontal) has to do with the way the gipsy "axle" runs. So if the gipsy axle is horizontal (like in the 700 Pro) it's a horizontal windlass, and if it's vertical (like in the V700 or the one you linked to) then it is considered a vertical windlass.
If you were not posting that "at" me, then... oops, nevermind.
Still always interesting to see different options. I take it these are preferable (hardier) to the other style with the motor that points down?
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dotnmarty
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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OK. Here's a picture of my windlass.
Is it a vertical or a horizontal windlass? Thanks _________________ MartyP
"...we're all in the same boat..." |
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colobear
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Horizontal |
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