building a Boat House for a CD 22'

petemos

Hi, I’m starting to think about having a boathouse built to store my CD 22’ and also some other things I have acquired over the years, ATV, small zodiac, utility trailer, etc. Right now I’m thinking of something about 40 ft long 30 ft wide and 12 feet high. My CD 22’ has a radar mast and on the trailer it would seem that 12 ft will clear the doors I plan to install. I want doors on both ends so I can just pull in and out. I’ve been looking at prefab steel and also going to get some quotes for a stick built house. I want to put in a hoist somewhere to assist with the lifting and or changing outboards. Also I was looking at some type of solar heating (positive and or active) water running within the floor. I will need this building insulated, as it will be in Canada Also a cistern to store water, as I will be too far from my home to tap that water and don’t want to drill an another well, just for this place.

That said, has anyone built a storage barn or anything else lately that is close to what I am looking at. If so, what type of building did you go with? What others did you look at? Any comments on what I am describing, and lastly can you give me a ballpark on what this thing should be costing? Right now I’m hearing numbers from $20-60K, so I would like some understanding of the normal prices people have spent. I should say that I will have to do some backfilling on the property to get it leveled out, but am not including that in the estimates.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Jim

potter water · Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject:

These buildings are amazing. The amount of storage you can get for a buck and the quick build is also pretty amazing. Heating them costs less than a third because they are super insulated. Solar heating is totally practical, probably even up north where you want to put the building. In their basic form they may be considered to be ugly, but a few dollars here and there will pretty them up. You would do well to take hard look at this type of building.

No connection with them other than I use to live in the same town where the inventor lived and was in his own dome home and out buildings several times.

http://www.monolithic.com/

hardee · Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:16 pm Post subject:

Harry, That is a neat link to some really neat building ideas. They are waht I will be looking into for some future planning.

Thanks,

Harvey
SleepyC

petemos · Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject:

Hi Harry, thants for the info. Can't seem to find how you get pricing on these and it looks like these might be kind of do it yourself, which I can't do. Got any idea when you were looking what they cost and who you see to get one built. It's a long way from Utah to Nova Scotia.

Thanks Jim

DaveS · Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:30 pm Post subject:

Hi JIm,
Look at page 2 and 3 of my photos album and you will see pix of my shop. The page 3 photo has all of the dimensions listed underneath the photo. You will see that I recommend 12 foot wide doors instead of the 10 foot wide that I have. Additional, if I were to build it again, I'd go deeper than I did for the 22 foot C-Dory on its' trailer.
It is insulated, but our temperatures are a bit more moderate than what you experience in N S. For your needs probably not enough insulation.
Dave S.

petemos · Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject:

Hi Dave, looks like a great setup. So my 40 ft deep and 36 ft wide should be good? How high are the doors and the building and what is this building made out of? The weather in Nova Scotia should be close to the same as in Washington, if you are by the water. We may get snow, but it melts in a day or so. Normally does not get below 15-20 or so unless we get a very cold snap and the winds come out of the west. If i'm not too much of a pest, you built this 6 or so years ago, do you remember about what price range you paid to have it built? I know Canada is going to be more money as they have a 15% sales tax. I want to show this picture to some of the builders up there and see what kind of pricing they give me.

Thanks again.

Jim

rob bauerle · Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:49 pm Post subject:

I have a 30 x 40 x 12 with a sliding 12 ft door. Its insulated and has a rear balcony for storage. Works great

potter water · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:49 am Post subject:

Regarding the Domes, some folks do put up the smaller ones. But contractors do most of them. They are not do it yourself friendly because of the need to blow shotcrete and urethane foam in big quantities. But they are cheap and stout and super insulated because of those large quantities of shotcrete and urethane. Think the Matterhorn mountain in Disney land in California, that is the construction technique. An inflated form goes up, re-bar goes up inside the form, urethane foam is blown inside the inflated form over the re-bar. The inflated form is then removed from the outside, openings are cut for the doors and windows as needed, then shotcrete is sprayed inside and out. Something along those lines anyway. Takes a couple days for the round pad to be poured, then the actual putting up of the dome is usually a two day affair. Materials are available anywhere in the world, and the only special item is the air form and that can be delivered anywhere.

Just a thought on a quick and "forever" utility building that is tornado, hurricane, cold and heat proof and price competitive.

No, again, I have no stake in that company. I just love the concept. I have a friend with an aircraft hanger made with the dome technique and know the inventor of the process.

DaveS · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:15 pm Post subject:

Jim, I'll be happy to share more information with you. I'll gather the info for you after my busy weekend is over.
Laughing

petemos · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:44 pm Post subject:

Thanks Dave. No rush as I still have to figure out where i'm going to stick this thing.

Jim

DaveS · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject:

Hi Jim,
Finally getting back to you from a very busy weekend. (Our daughter graduated from Western Washington University on Saturday....needless to say, a very busy and happy time in our lives!).
Anyhow, here is the information I promised you.....Your 40 foot anticipated depth of the building would be great, but I would go wider than 36 foot in width in order to accomodate 12 foot wide bay doors. (This is assuming that you were going to have three bay openings like we have).
Our shop is a Metal Post Frame Building with 29 gauge steel siding and roofing. The "poles" are Hemlock Fir 6x6 and 6x8 posts set in 5 feet of concrete. We had a loft built above the 10 foot tall bay door area with an interior stair case. (I later enclosed the forward portion (where you see the windows) into a sewing room for my wife). The shop has a 4 inch slap of smooth finished concrete imbedded with fibermesh. The walls and roof are insulated. The building is rated to withstand 80 MPH winds. The roof has already experience in excess of 12 inches of "wet" snow without problem. I chose to have no windows installed on the lower level for security purposes. The man door and bay doors are all visible from our residence (also for security purposes).
I don't mind sharing the building cost as this may help you and others have an idea of what to expect.....bear in mind this is 2004 cost.
The total building cost was $32,118.60. This does not include electrical work or the enclosure of the sewing room.
After the building was completed I added the concrete pad in front of the building and ran electric to the building with florescent lighting, outlets and installed electric bay door openers.

petemos · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:29 pm Post subject:

Hi Dave, thanks so much for the building info and pricing. Based on what you have told me, I’m hopefully only looking at maybe 30% more. If not, then I may just have to add onto my current garage and just have a back-in solution. I want a drive in and drive out. I can't go too wide as I then I have issues with the building placement and movement of more backfill. I know I will have to do more landscaping than you, as I need to do a fair amount backfilling to get a level piece of ground to put this building on. I also need to fit the building in between the power poles that go to my home, or get the power company to move them. It took them almost a year to get me power, so I really don't want to go that route. If you look at this picture and the power poles in the background this is where I want the boat house and drive thru.

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album1033&id=IMG_0477&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

It seems many of these companies that build these are in Washington State and in the West. Not as many on the East coast and still looking for ones in Canada. May have to go with stick built. I like this layout below also if I can't go wide, but can't really see me getting this building shipped to Nova Scotia, so I may also order the plans if I have to get this stick built. I’ll post pictures when I get this thing built, depending on what option I take and whether I run out of money backfilling the property.
Thanks Again. Jim

http://www.barnpros.com/barn-plans-products.aspx?pagename=Product Details&itemid=1555&prodid=6761

DaveS · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject:

Jim,
Yes it does appear that you have landscaping (ie: earth moving) challenges to deal with.
The name of the company that constructed our building is Spane Buildings in Stanwood, Washington. They have a good web site with pictures of many of the buildings they have constructed. Perhaps you will be able to glean a few more ideas from viewing their web site.
Wish you well on your project. Let me know if I can share any more information with you.

petemos · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:03 pm Post subject:

Dave, thanks again. I'll check the site out and let you know if I need any additional info.

Have a great summer.

Jim