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AK Angler
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 327 City/Region: South Central
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Rod Holder
Photos: Rod Holder
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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On my 16 footer, there is no anchor locker. I don't know if any 16's have 'em. But, I do have a triangle shaped "bulkhead" in the foreward portion of the bow storage. Looking to install an anchor locker, I removed this panel and found a chunk of floatation foam. It seems the panel is just there to protect the foam.
Oh, one more thing. Be sure to calibrate your compass. And know the declination where you'll be using her. It won't matter that you have one on board if it's not indicating properly or you don't adjust your heading to compensate for declination.
And congrats on your purchase. I think you'll be quite happy. _________________ -Rod
89CD16A- The Navicula has been sold... |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21378 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Congratulations on the "new" boat. Most lever type of plugs will have a small nut in the center, with a treaded rod which goes to the lever. Tightening this nut, or by holding the nut and turning the lever will expand the plug, just like the T type
Definately get a chart of the area you boat in--There are some nice waterproof charts which fold and are more durable for this area. Definately get at the very least an inexpensive hand held GPS--and check up on plotting your lat and Long--it can get foggy up there all of a sudden, and you may need the Chart, Compass and GPS to get home safely.
Also be sure that you have all of the required coast guard items, including a fog horn, lights, life jackets, flares etc on board.
For an Anchor rode you should probably have at least 12 feet of 1/4" chain, plus several hundred feet of three strand nylon Rope. 3/8" would be adequate for this size boat, but 1/2" is easier to "handle". Although the Bruce is propular in this region, in the smaller size I prefer a Delta Quick set--this in preference to the Danforth or Fortress in your area because there are lots of rocks.
I would refasten the bow bulkhead using stainless steel screws.
Also I would acquire a Marine VHF radio--full size 25 watt unit. Good safety item. I personally have a kicker on all of my boats--for the 16 a 3.5 hp would be enough to get you home in case of loss of the main power.
Also include some minumal tools--a spark plug wrench and extra set of plugs, a sent of end wrenches, a cresent wrench, a multipurpose tool, such as letherman or Gerber, a combination screwdriver, etc.
Also a small first aid kit is advisable. Also a length of line, which could be used as a tow line.
I would second that suggestion about taking a Coast Guard auxiliary or Power Squadren course.
You live in a beautiful part of the world and you have purchased a wonderful boat--enjoy it to it fullest! _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Home port: Pensacola FL |
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Robbi
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 1193 City/Region: Chambers Bay
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2023
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Photos: C-Run
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Island Fox, Congratulations on your new boat and the adventure that brought her to you. I also am a neighbor of yours and will keep my eyes open for you on the water. You will love your new boat, and you have received some great advice from some of the best boaters around.
About charts. Even if you plan to just cruise in the area around Fox Island, there are a large number of rocks and reefs that are far from any shoreline. They are where they "should not be"! They will spoil a good day on the water. Look at the Map Tech book on Puget Sound. $49 at West Marine or Boaters world.
See you on the water. Robbi _________________ 2023 C-Dory 23 Venture Sport
2003 C-Dory 19
sold 2019
2004 C-Dory 16 Cruiser
Sold 8/2015
2004 C-Dory 19 "C-Run"
Sold 8/2011
1989 C-Dory 16 Angler
Sold 2010
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teflonmom
Joined: 16 May 2004 Posts: 415 City/Region: Red Lion
State or Province: PA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Snickers AUG 08
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:13 am Post subject: New Dory-New User |
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The best advise you have already received-take the Power Squad or Coast Guard Aux. boating course.SAP!! Read these posts and gain as much info as possiable on the Dory. Get the charts or better yet a chart book for your boating area.
A simple compass and a depth finder for sure. For less than $200.00 you can get a hand held GPS. Learn to set up way points by Lat and Long from your charts and you can go just where you want.
C Dorys are wonderful boats have fun. We are new Dory owners but are fast falling in love with our little cruiser after about 12 years of bigger boats. _________________ Pat & Fred Messerly |
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lupette
Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7 City/Region: FOX ISLAND WA
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1996
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: Island Fox
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: Super Maiden Voyage! |
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Yesterday, I went to the marine supply store and got all the bare necessities:
2 plugs (t-type), flares, whistles, distress flags, bumpers, a nice book map of waterways in WA, salt water flush kit and muff, danforth anchor and 150 foot of anchor line. (I'm sure there was more than that but that's what I can remember for now.)
My husband, my son (16) and I decided that for the first trip we would just go around Fox Island and see how things went. We launched from the Fox Island Bridge . . . piece o cake! Reading all the do's and don'ts must of helped here cause this went VERY smoothly!
Motor started easily and ran super! The evening was glorious! Super nice sunset and (almost) full moon over Mt. Rainier. What a great time! Even the return to the boat dock and re-trailering went off without a hitch (heh)!
Thanks again to all of you who gave us such thoughtful and helpful advice. Now we just need to learn to fish!
Here are a few more questions:
The fishfinder is a hummingbird 200DX. It seemed to be finding fish everywhere. This seemed a bit odd to me and then it went suddenly from about 300+ feet to between 3 ft and 5 ft. It made us think we were about to hit something! We slowed way down and eventually it went back to recording the full depth of the water. We never saw anything below us in the water. Could this be a freshwater fish finder that doesn't operate well in saltwater? Or was there really a shoal or something under us? We were somewhere between McNeil Island and the SW tip of Fox Island when this happened. Any ideas?
To all of you with 16 footers (or anyone who has a good idea) . . . what is the hot setup for stowing the anchor and rope (and chain) ? We do have the factory option anchor roller (?) attached to the bow (I don't remember now what it is called ) but there didn't seem to be a logical way to attach the rope and still stow it neatly with the anchor. Any suggestions here would be VERY helpful.
Also we need ideas for space saving stowage. Anyone? Pictures would be helpful. We have the usual stuff to find room for . . . crab traps, buckets, shovels, fishing gear, etc. etc. Maybe I should start a new link for this one?
BTW- YES we would luv to meet you sometime and exchange notes and view boats! I envy you the x-tra room you have in the cruiser! |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5927 City/Region: Kenmore
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Meant to be
Photos: SeaDNA
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Super Maiden Voyage! |
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lupette wrote: | ....
Here are a few more questions:
The fishfinder is a hummingbird 200DX. It seemed to be finding fish everywhere. This seemed a bit odd to me and then it went suddenly from about 300+ feet to between 3 ft and 5 ft. It made us think we were about to hit something! We slowed way down and eventually it went back to recording the full depth of the water. We never saw anything below us in the water. Could this be a freshwater fish finder that doesn't operate well in saltwater? Or was there really a shoal or something under us? We were somewhere between McNeil Island and the SW tip of Fox Island when this happened. Any ideas?
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In most installations, the sonar won't be useful at speeds over about 7-ish knots (actual speed varies greatly depending on location of mount, surrounding structures etc). Bubbles, air gaps etc can all cause big problems in getting accurate readings. Once you are familiar with the overall topography of the area (either from chart reviews or from your GPS with installed charts), the sonar is generally not used for depth finding in deep water unless you are travelling slowly (as in trolling for example). That is, if you're sure the bottom is far below you, the sonar isn't needed unless you are looking for fish, at which time you must go fairly slow anyway.
In addition, most sonars will only read to a certain depth which is limited by the power and frequency of the sonar. The hummingbird dx200 should read depths to about 600 feet but there are places in the sound that are deeper than that and I find that my sonar (also rated to 600ft) doesn't always read accurately when I am in water exceeding 480 feet. The usual symptoms of "loosing the bottom" on the sonar is that it tries to find the bottom (there's some computer algorithm searching for the bottom signal) and often puts out numbers that are meaningless - e.g. way too shallow.
Other things that can result in way too shallow readings -
Temperature inversions or strong temperature gradiants in the water
Weeds and other stuff in tide lines
big and thick schools of fish (this is a good thing - doesn't happen too often)
Seals/sea lions passing beneath the boat.
Finally also note that your sonar will pick up signals from adjacent sonars - this typically happens when boats are within 50 yds of each other. On my unit, the result of interference from another sonar, is something that looks like scattered small fish from top to bottom.
In general, the best way to get a feel for the conditions underwhich the sonar reads correctly is use it a slow speeds while following a contour or known depth (easily done with a GPS, accomplishable with a chart when the bottom contours closely follow the visible shoreline) - increase the speed until you know that the reading is incorrect, slow back down and see how long it takes to recover. Do this a few times and you'll know the speeds at which you can trust the sonar readings. Then go to increasingly deep water a few times and see at what depth the sonar goes nuts.
Finally, note that most sonars have a number of settings that influence the gain and sensitivity and most have "fully auto" modes and manual modes for some or all of the settings. On my sonar, the fully auto mode for depth range often jumps to an inappropriate range for the depth I am at and then the sonar reads incorrectly (usually the sonar jumps to a shallow range when I'm in deep water). I find I get more reliable readings by setting the range manually.
Roger on the SeaDNA _________________ Roger on Meant to be |
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Ted Osborne
Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 109 City/Region: Des Moines, WA
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1999
C-Dory Model: 24 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Tabbycat
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Congrat's on you new aquistion. One thing that is a must is a VHF radio. It could be either a handheld, which if you got the kind that would accept an outide anttena would do great or a fixed mount unit.
As for charts, I would suggest Chart # 18445 for Puget Sound. I have most of the large charts, but use this mostl the time. Good luck on your adventures. _________________ Ted & Donna |
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cdlas
Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 18 City/Region: Molalla & Lakeside
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: CFURTWO
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject: Stowing Anchor and Rope |
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There is a post somewhere among the all on this site that someone has posted their solution to this. I also have a 16 ft. angler have the same thoughts as what to do with the anchor and the stuff that goes with it . Maybe some of the others here will remember where it is at . My remeberer is not as good as it use to be . _________________ The boat is cheap, it all the extras that are expensive!!!!! |
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lupette
Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7 City/Region: FOX ISLAND WA
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1996
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: Island Fox
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Your explanation about the fish finder was is sooooooo helpful. Thank you so much for your time and thoroughness in explaining all this! I am somewhat certain now that the shallow readings were the "looking for the bottom" thing that you described. We were getting deeper as we headed toward and into the narrows just before the bridge. Thanks again. |
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Catman
Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 1537 City/Region: Seattle
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2017
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: Songbird (Bambina, 16')
Photos: Bambina
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I keep my anchor and line in the stern, between the battery and gas tank. I toss it from the stern and for short stays simply tie off a stern cleat. If overnight I toss, it hits bottom, I walk the line to the bow cleat.
I believe Da Nerd has found a way to surmount such complexity. |
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gljjr
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 908 City/Region: Fall City
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1982
C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Migratory Dory
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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That fishfinder should cover most of your needs in the sound. Since you were running at speed when the problem occured I would look at the transducer mounting. It is possible that when underway at speed the transducer doesn't get a clean flow of water around it. You can try mounting it lower on the transom or, if it is close to a strake move it so that it gets cleaner water at speed. As Roger stated bubles and air gaps cause big problems with getting good readings!
Like Roger I almost always use a fixed setting on my fish finder. This allows me to zoom into the depths I am likely to be looking for fish. For instance I often fish Sekiu in 400' - 500' of water but the fish are usually less than 80' deep. So I set my finder to only show the top 80' of water. _________________ Gary Johnson
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Bearbait
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 151 City/Region: North Pole
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1991
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Just remember that when a fishfinder gets confused it won't admit that it doesn't know the answer, it will just keep spitting out useless information. I know lots of people like that. |
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jimandlaurie
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 565 City/Region: Puyallup
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Way to go on Fox Island with Island Fox! Catman, Bill and Evelyn with the experiences with Braveheart and Scorpio Lyle, and of course C-Run Robbie have boatloads of great info for you and your 16. And are even nighbors pretty much! Are you members of Fox island Y.C.too? We are at T.O.A. here. Enjoy and hope to see ya on the water. We are gonna be at Jarrell's cove this weekend with T.O.A. but will be on the lookout to do some cruising with our C-Brats too. _________________ Commodore Jim & Adm. Laurie
Former C-Dory Christener.
2004 C-Dory Skiff- Little Poit Dhubh
2005 C-Dory 25 Cruiser -sold 2103
2002- C-Dory 22 Cruiser- Sold 2005 |
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El and Bill
Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 3200 City/Region: Lakewood, CO
State or Province: CO
C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Halcyon
Photos: Halcyon
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Rogerbum --
We concur with your approach. We carry redundant GPS chartplotters and that's how we navigate. Yes, we have a handheld compass and carry paper charts for backup, but seldom use either -- and certainly wouldn't use either in bad storm, fog, or night-time conditions -- we have the GPS Chartplotters and they are the very best method of navigating, bar none. (We do have, however, a radar to help in low-visibility conditions -- only had to use it three or four times and even then, like you, we duck the shipping channels), if possible). So, we're with you. _________________ El and Bill (former live-aboards)
Halcyon 2000 CD 22 Bought 2000 Sold 2012
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dogon dory
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 1321
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: DogOnDory
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