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Casey
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 1094 City/Region: The Villages(FL)
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: "Dessert 1st"
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:11 am Post subject: Lifting an 85# Kayak to the rooftop (Ideas needed) |
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We have a Hobie Tandem Mirage kayak (14.5 feet, about 85# hull weight).
We both Love the kayak, and displacement towed it for the three weeks we were recently on Lake Powell. The kayak rack that I fabricated for the CC23's rooftop works fine. The only problem is that launching and retrieving the kayak is a royal PITA. It's heavy, bulky and very awkward. We can do it - but there must be a better way. I need Ideas!
The Cape Cruiser 23 has the standard welded aluminum rocket launcher atop the cabin, so I have a reasonable platform from which to build/mount something, possibly some type of collapsible lift or davit-like gizmo.
I envision some form of welded, hindged(?), folding arm that could be deployed overboard to grab the kayak, then pivot the arm so the kayak rests on the carrier. Although I can 'see the device in my minds-eye, I'm not enough of an engineer to see any details. (Although I must admit, I am a Master of overEngineering stuff!)
Any Ideas out there?
Best,
Casey&Mary _________________ 2013 CC23 "Katmai" renamed "Dessert 1st"
2006 CC23 "Katmai" (purchased August 2009)
2003 CD22 "Naknek" (sold May 2008) |
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Morning Star
Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 110 City/Region: St. Petersburg
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C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:55 am Post subject: |
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We, too, have a Hobie Mirage Tandem. I slide it up over the side of the bow pulpit, pivot it around, and then slide it up on the roof racks. It is a bit of a chore. I have considered mounting a Garhauer lifting davit http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=41 on the rail. I have seen this done on a couple of Rosborough 246s, and it seems to work well. It can be removed and stowed when not in use. I thought about using two mounts, so it can double as a davit for lifting the kicker. _________________ Jim |
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JDS
Joined: 04 Mar 2010 Posts: 60 City/Region: Coeur d'Alene
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Casey,
I don't have the details, but I recall that the late George Roach had a lift system for two single kayaks on his boat the "Sea Quest". I believe that George and his wife were from Oregon and you might find some photos from the Lake Powell Gathering in 2010 if you can't find an album.
Jim _________________ Jim and Marti
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Alok
Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 291 City/Region: League City
State or Province: TX
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Since I sold the Tomcat, I have been communing with the water in my Hobie kayak. I use the Malone Lift Assist to lift the kayak to the roof of my Rav-4. You do have to lift the kayak to place it in the device, then you can ratchet it up quite easily to the roof. You will need both the "Downloader" and the "Lift Assist".
2012 Malone Telos Kayak Lift Assist for Use on Malone DownLoader, J-Loader & AutoLoader Kayak Racks - MPG351 _________________ Alok
C-Dory Tomcat (Topcat) sold January 2012 |
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Will-C
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 2476 City/Region: Temple
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:21 am Post subject: Lifting an 85# Kayak to the rooftop (Ideas needed) |
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1. Buy a lighter kayak
2. get a gym membership for some weight training for all parties concerned
3. get one the slide thingies that they use to launch and retrive the Portland Pudgies
4. get an inflatable dinghy
5. get a motor for inflatable dinhy
6. rig up a pulley system for your windless to drag the yak to the roof while you guide it up using a portable remote to control the windless.
7. take more people along on your cruises to help you load the heavy things you purchased without thinking how am I gonna get this 85 pound beast on the roof of my other boat
D.D. _________________ Chevrolet The Heart Beat Of America |
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joefish
Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 157 City/Region: Great Falls
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:23 am Post subject: |
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If you're looking for all kinds of ideas you might check out the Portland Pudgy thread in which Aurelia's captain builds a "ramp" to load the 128 lb dinghy onto the roof. There are photos on page 4. _________________ Joe Fish
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Wandering Sagebrush
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2770 City/Region: Northeast Oregon
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Casey, George used a winch that lifted the Hobie up to the level of the radar arch. The kayaks were carried on edge, along the sides of the boat at the level of the cabin top. I may have some photos. I'll check when I get my computer field up. _________________ "And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." - Abraham Lincoln |
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Wandering Sagebrush
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2770 City/Region: Northeast Oregon
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Here are some shots. In 2009, George and Jan only took one kayak, mounted the same way. Balance did not seem to be an issue. The winch looked like a trailer winch, and was mounted on a 2x4 that was on the top of the radar arch. George took the winch down once the kayak was in the rack. You might use a similar winch, then pivot the Hobie around to the cabin top if you want to keep it on center line. I think that pool noodles and good tie downs might be all you need for the double on the cabin top. What ever you come up with, please take detailed photos and post them. Diana and I may plagiarize your work.
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Spike
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 572 City/Region: Kent
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Casey
Check out C-Dasiy's album. Karl has pictures of the davit set up on his boat. _________________ Chuck
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Casey, here's a whole THREAD that should help you!
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
Captain's Kitten (1995 CD 16 Angler- Sold June 2010)
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starcrafttom
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I would look at one of the roller mounted to the front rail. These are sold for mounting on the cars carry racks. the hardest part of is lifting the kayak to the roof. With the rollers you can get a tipping point that is easy and smooth to pull the kayak over. _________________ Thomas J Elliott
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I've been looking at the Martini 3-piece tandem kyaks . These are about 14' tandems that break down into 3 pieces with each weighing about 25lbs. The pieces would be easy to lift and stow but I'm not sure how easy it would be to assemble on the water or across the cockpit in the boat. The latter might be quite challenging. However, it's quick and easy to assemble on flat ground or a dock and I think I could manage putting one together from the swim step/bracket on the Tomcat. _________________ Roger on Meant to be |
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B~C
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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the easiest way to get them rascals on the roof, but it hasn't ever worked for me, is have the spousal unit load them. I went with two light kayaks but have always though a pot puller would be an easy, cost effective way to at least hoist the yaks up into the cockpit _________________ Ken
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Casey
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 1094 City/Region: The Villages(FL)
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: |
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I've just been looking at the Garhauer Marine lifts - they look like they might work (Thanks Jim....)
As I mentioned, we LOVE the Hobie Tandem. Yes, it's awkward to load/unload, but we can DO it, but it's not as efficient and streamlined as I'd like, but we realized that before we bought it.
The "Mirage Drive" units are fantastic. On a recent trip on the "Dora Canal" (about twenty miles south of The Villages) we decided to check our GPS speed on a short run. With both of us pedaling full-out we hit 5.7mph! Granted, we didn't sustain that very long, but when we 'relaxed it was easy to cruise along at 3.5 to 4mph for sustained periods. We take at least one paddle (for making shorter radius turns when necessary) but use the pedal-drive 98% of the time.
Back to the lift idea....
I'm thinking that a Garhauer Marine lift (possibly with a longer vertical pole) mounted on the gunnel and secured to the eave of the roof might just be the Answer. I'll have to play with measurements, etc ...but it might allow the kayak to lifted and pivoted into place.
...thanks All!
Best,
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Casey
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 1094 City/Region: The Villages(FL)
State or Province: FL
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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Update: The Garhauer lift is installed. Pictures are available in our album.
Installation of the Garhauer lift went very well. We have done several launch and retrieval exercises from the boat (in the driveway) and all seems to work as well (or better) than we expected.
The only real issue during installation was fabricating a backing plate to support the "stand off" arm that Garhauer supplied. But even that step wasn't too bad, just required a bit of creativity.
With this installation we hope to be able to keep both seats and "Mirage drive" pedal assemblies installed in the boat. This should make kayak launching and retrieval both easier and faster.
We were both impressed with the Quality of the Garhauer materials and constructions.
Best,
Casey&Mary |
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