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Beflyguy
Joined: 22 Feb 2010 Posts: 146 City/Region: Anderson Island
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Seven Please
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: Propane tank in forward starboard storage locker |
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What are thoughts on putting a propane tank or tanks in the forward starboard storage locker in a Tomcat. I assume it could be ported down into the hull for venting and hoses could be run aft into the kitchen area. I'm also planning to install a Propex water heater.
_________________ Brian
Seven Please
2009 TC255 2010 175 Suzukis
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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That locker is not sealed from the interior of the boat. Thus it would be in violation of ABYC standards. I would not do it. Unfortunately the seat locker, and the lazarette lockers are contigious with the hull and potentially the inside of the boat, plus could not be properly vented to the outside.
The safest place would be in a locker on the Outboard bracket.
The water heater appears to me to be one designed for a UK "Caravan"--known as RV's in the US. Many of these are not safe in boats. How will you support it? Where will it be placed and how will it be vented? About 35 years ago a few of the flow through heaters were installed in US boats. (I had one)--but there were some significant problems. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Bob's right (as usual). I would not put it inside anywhere. Propane, being heavier than air would find the lowest point if leaking which would be the bottom of one (or both) of the sponsons and the first spark of any kind would send you skyward! The Armstrong bracket is the ideal location.
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
Captain's Kitten (1995 CD 16 Angler- Sold June 2010)
Captain's Choice (1994 CD 22 Cruiser- Sold Jun 2007)
Potomac River/Chesapeake Bay
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Byrdman
Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 3320 City/Region: Cumberland River, Clarksville,
State or Province: WA
Vessel Name: " ? " After Rename Ceremony
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Do not walk, but run away from the idea of placing a "large" propane bottle tank, with sealed/over board vented storage box inside the boat.
Another idea, would be to have this same, sealed/over board vented storage box as a step box as to assist folks when getting on/off the boat.
I say...large above as I know that folks sometimes stow the one pound bottles in the cabin, under the sink area and/or other places, but, again, out back in the gunnel storage shelves may be a better idea. _________________ Patrick Byrd "Byrdman"
Cumberland River TN home waters Puget Sound Summers.
Miss B - CD22A, Aug 2018
C-Byrd, CD18A, Hull #14 sold again.. May 2020
C-Byrd, CD18A, Hu #14 - Bought her again - May16
Aloysius, Sold to Brother Mike Mar16
Aloysius, Hull # 440 RF-246
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Beflyguy
Joined: 22 Feb 2010 Posts: 146 City/Region: Anderson Island
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Seven Please
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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I found this link. http://www.abyc.com/committees/A-01.pdf It is very clear on the standards for propane connections and storage. I don't know why but it was hard to locate. |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7881 City/Region: marysville
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1984
C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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I always felt that the new fiberglass propane tanks would be easily mounted on the radar arch if you have one. keeps it out of the boat and in to the wind in case of leaks. does not take up floor space and would weather well in that location. Maybe even make a canvas cover for it. Just not in a dark color.
just mount on the inside of the up rights. _________________ Thomas J Elliott
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matt_unique
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1881 City/Region: Boston
State or Province: MA
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C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: Propane |
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I too would avoid keeping any propane tanks in an enclosed space. The risk from leakage could be catastrophic.
It sounds like you are really outfitting the boat though! I'm sure it will have some great features once you are done. _________________ Captain Matt
Former owner of Napoleon (Tomcat) Hull #65 w/Counter Rotating Suzuki 150's. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Belflyguy,
The ABYC standards are generally only available to members (this is really a dis-service to the general yachting community--but gives ABYC a source of revenue). The Coast Guard rules for inspected vessels and Transport Canada are other sources of regs, which are parallel to ABYC.
ABYC standards are copyrighted--and members are not susposed to publish them (although occasionaly parts are).
As you may know, many inboard boats use the same water heaters as are in the Tom Cat--but the inboard boats run the engine cooling water thu a coil in the water tank, to heat the water. This is difficult to do with an outboard. Thus heating water requires either a generator or dock power. There are a few flow through electric water heaters which will work fine. Probably the best system is to have boat heating and hot water heating on the same diesel fired system. In the PNW this is practical--not so in Florida.
As you are finding the Tom Cat is a difficult boat to put propane in--but a locker on the engine bracket is the best way--to be safe. Yes, I suspose that you could put a tank on or under the radar arch--I would want to have it somewhat protected so that it would not have a chance of the valve or regulator being knocked off. Also you would need to either put a selenoid valve, or easy access to a manual valve on the tank.
I have seen people use propane refigrators on larger boats, along with propane water heaters--but thes all were vented directly to the exterior--again something hard to do on the Tom Cat. |
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SEA3PO
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 1835 City/Region: Chester
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SEA3PO
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Yes it could be done.... by fiberglassing that cabinet solid and sealed from the inside.... not hard.... then vent overboard.... I wanted to install a larger propane tank in my lazarettee so I built a deeper bottom and installed that in the bottom of the lazarette ... installed the vent lower down in that extension... perfectly safe...check my photos of what I built....
Joel
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SEA3PO
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 1835 City/Region: Chester
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C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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I used one of those new epoxy propane tanks....very nice and light...won't rust..and LOTS of propane....for this short trip to the delta I will only use my one gallon tank...
Joel
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lloyds
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 1724 City/Region: sublimity
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1996
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Who supplies the epoxy tanks? |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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I have always used aluminum propane tanks on my boats. They are more expensive, but there is not the fear of rust. I don't know who makes epoxy tanks--and my concern there is that they would probably burn.
The C Dory 22 is fairly easy to convert a lazarette to propane locker, since it opens to the outside of the boat (the top). The Tom Cat has all of its lockers opening either into the cabin (the anchor locker for example--or the lazarette or seat lockers.
If you had to have a propane tank, you could glass in the foreward lockers which were originally refered to--then make a hatch on the deck to access the tank. One problem might be the route of the propane hose to the appliances. Generally this is from the outside of the boat, and near the top of the locker. I guess that you could put a bulkhead fitting on the top of the locker (not put the hose thru) and then attatch hoese inside of the foreward cabin and in the locker to the thank. Again--having to go forward to open the valve, or use a remote 12 volt valve would be essential. |
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journey on
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3595 City/Region: Valley Centre
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Try this. They're composite tanks, not just epoxy ( if that.) And they aren't free.
Defender Marine and search for propane tank.
Boris |
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