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Doryman
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: USCG Advisory re: TV antennas affecting GPS |
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Read all about it HERE.
Warren _________________ Doryman
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4673 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. At first I was like "No biggie..I don't have a TV antennae, etc"...but then I read:
Quote: | THE INTERFERENCE IS NOT LIMITED TO THE GPS EQUIPMENT ONBOARD THE VESSEL WITH THE INSTALLED ACTIVE MARINE TELEVISION ANTENNAE. THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS OF INTERFERENCE OCCURRING ON OTHER VESSELS AND INSTALLATIONS OPERATING UP TO 2000 FEET AWAY FROM VESSELS USING SUCH ANTENNAS. |
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DaveS
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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localboy wrote: | Wow. At first I was like "No biggie..I don't have a TV antennae, etc"...but then I read:
Quote: | THE INTERFERENCE IS NOT LIMITED TO THE GPS EQUIPMENT ONBOARD THE VESSEL WITH THE INSTALLED ACTIVE MARINE TELEVISION ANTENNAE. THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS OF INTERFERENCE OCCURRING ON OTHER VESSELS AND INSTALLATIONS OPERATING UP TO 2000 FEET AWAY FROM VESSELS USING SUCH ANTENNAS. |
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Mark, I'm thinking that I'll take advantage of this situation and install a "dummy" Marine Television Antenna and then when any boat sees that, they'll stay 2000 feet away from my vessel and I'll have the seas to myself......no more someone trying to play bumper boats with me.....  _________________ Dave S.
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4673 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Now that's thinking, Dave. I like it.  |
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Robbi
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 1193 City/Region: Chambers Bay
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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In the last year or so I have had two instances where my boats position on my GPS "moved erratically across large expanses of land." The first time that it happened, I thought that my GPS was going into a series of last gasp spasms before dying. It was very strange. I wish that I could recall if any other boats were in the area or not. It lasted for less than a minute, but I was zig zagging across large expanses of beach and forest.
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21357 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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The key word here is "active" TV antenna. This problem has been reconginzed for quite some time--and there are other specific areas of interference. The question I have is since this warning was posted in 2002, are these specific antennas even manufactuered currently--and has the problem been fixed?
The times we have lost GPS usually was near an active Military ship--talk about "Active Antennas!.... _________________ Bob Austin
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tpbrady
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Bob,
If I understand the FCC rules, a device such as these active antennas that causes interference to a service such as GPS that operates in an exclusive protected frequency space, would have to be removed from the market. There are permissible limits for interference, but the distances are meaured in inches or at most a foot or two. The best example of this is police radar detectors. Some of the early models generated frequencies in the 950-1450 MHz area that interfered with some cellular services as well as L-band satellite modems. The FCC forced the manufacturers to withdraw them from the market. It doesn't mean they all go away, it just means that they can no longer be sold.
My Lowrance GPS has always been sensitive to marine radar. They have since improved the shielding in the antenna electronics assembly, but on my current model, if I get too close to one of the Alaska ferries with its radar operating, the GPS goes off line. _________________ Tom
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thataway
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Correct Tom,
Often these are Spurious emissions, often a harmonic of the primary frequency. However 2000 feet is quite a distance to cause interference. |
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